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Forums - Politics Discussion - Economic migrants from Africa flooding Europe! This needs to stop!

 

Your thoughts?

Yes, these people aren't... 111 54.68%
 
No, they're refugees, an... 49 24.14%
 
We shouldn't encourage t... 43 21.18%
 
Total:203

It's funny how all these threads always go.

Anti immigrant viewpoint, same response as always, same rebuttals as always, and in the end it spirals into nothing.

This feels like dejavu if you ask me.



 

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KLXVER said:
Nautilus said:

Hate me all you want, but thats actually the response they should give.You cant fix the worlds problem by yourself.If they wree to do what you just suggested, they should take in 40% of the world, if not more, inside their borders.Thats just insane.

And Im pretty sure you wouldnt just let strange people come in if you had the chance.There is an easy way to prove this:Do you invite every homeless guy that you pass through to your house?I mean, giving food wont cut it, since they would still be in the same situation.The "right" thing to do would be to get those people to your house and elt them live there to try to give them a better life.Do you do that?Most likely not.Why?Because its not your fault.The one that should be fixing those guys problems is the government.The same applies to Europe.

There is no ideal answer to this.Every action has a consequence.If you dont fix the problem, but rather stimulate remending the problem, people will get accoustomed to it and things will never change.

Well first of I dont hate you.

Well would you tell a woman that were physically abused by their husband and ran to your house for help to just "Deal with it". No, you wouldnt. That doesnt mean you should take actions into your own hands and help them, but you would probably call the police.

Its a bit different.In that situation, I would certainly do what you just said(most likely),maybe even let the woman stay in my house for one day, but with imigrants you cant say "oh sure come in for one or two years then go back to your country" because the situation of those countries wont be resolved that soon.You are basically making them citizens.If it were a handful of people, then sure you could ddo it, because Europe could handle a handful of imigrants.But there are millions upon millions of them.Even if you let them all in, surely a good percentage of them would still live in a bad life condition.It wouldnt be Europes fault either, they would be making their best in a horrible scenario.And even then, the ones paying for all these people that just came in are the citizens.And thats also not fair with them.This is not a black and white situation as many people like to think it is.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

'flooding' lol. I suppose they're 'creeping' though our streets, 'stealing' all our jobs and 'devouring' all of our food. Words ...



 

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It will only get worse when climate change will hit Africa.

But Europa can't do something about it because of leftist infused 'white-guilt'. Also they're happy with the free votes they're getting. Immigrants will only vote for those whit the most socialist/green views.

The incompetence of the EU also shows its failure or rather total lack of geopolitics. A civilization can't thrive if their neighbours are in crisis, they'll drag you down with them.
It's make or break for the EU to get their shit together, because the people are losing their patience.



GribbleGrunger said:
'flooding' lol. I suppose they're 'creeping' though our streets, 'stealing' all our jobs and 'devouring' all of our food. Words ...

Aren't they too lazy to steal our jobs? ;)



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Nautilus said:
KLXVER said:

Well first of I dont hate you.

Well would you tell a woman that were physically abused by their husband and ran to your house for help to just "Deal with it". No, you wouldnt. That doesnt mean you should take actions into your own hands and help them, but you would probably call the police.

Its a bit different.In that situation, I would certainly do what you just said(most likely),maybe even let the woman stay in my house for one day, but with imigrants you cant say "oh sure come in for one or two years then go back to your country" because the situation of those countries wont be resolved that soon.You are basically making them citizens.If it were a handful of people, then sure you could ddo it, because Europe could handle a handful of imigrants.But there are millions upon millions of them.Even if you let them all in, surely a good percentage of them would still live in a bad life condition.It wouldnt be Europes fault either, they would be making their best in a horrible scenario.And even then, the ones paying for all these people that just came in are the citizens.And thats also not fair with them.This is not a black and white situation as many people like to think it is.

If only the UN would focus more on stuff like this instead of worrying about Japanese men looking at drawings of underaged girls...



WolfpackN64 said:

Aren't they too lazy to steal our jobs? ;)

lol ... quite.



 

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WolfpackN64 said:
Nautilus said:

Im not saying that the people from those countires are doing nothing.Just that sometimes, there are some countries that are so deep in corruption, or that some countires have a more tolerance for said corruption, that these peoples effort arent good enough.Not always everything is a conspiracy theory.Have you seen what Maduro(Venezuala president) say once in a while?Its like a madman!And if you try to do anything against it, you might get arrested or worse, killed.And, thats my honest opinion, they wont get rid of him, or the corrupt politicians that surround him, through the law.There may have some companie from another country there that takes advantage of that situation, but thats the own countries "fault" for getting that low.

The problem is Maduro is trying to halt a right wing takeover of his country. A lot of fishy things have been going on with the Venezuelan captains of industry, who have a lot of support from the right coallition.

..........Really?So having the right wing have a chance in power is horrible?Or worse, that justifies to put the whole country in state of emergency, giving him full power(making him basically into a dictator).Not only that, the justification for doing that seems like a bad joke.(he did that because of Brazil current crisis, siting that the "forces" that are driving Brazil into that crisis is trying to destroy Venezuela and so that, to protect the innocent people of the country, he declared the state of emergency.Madman).And I mean, how many years are the left wing in the power?Shouldnt the situation in the country be their fault?I will stop here before I derail even more the thread, but my point is, such as the countries from Africa, Middle East and Asia, many of the problems that makes them such a horrible place to stay are rpoblems created because of their culture, because of the corruption that grew, and many things more, just like Venezuela.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Nautilus said:
KLXVER said:

No, but saying "No, you cant come in. Now go back and die in your own country" is not an option either. Its easy for us that live in stable countries to say "Sort out your own shit" or "Someone sort the shit out in that country". Meanwhile thousands of people are dying. They dont have years to sit around and wait for their country to be "fixed". They dont have a say in how their country is run most of the time. Maybe do some thinking before posting yourself...

Hate me all you want, but thats actually the response they should give.You cant fix the worlds problem by yourself.If they wree to do what you just suggested, they should take in 40% of the world, if not more, inside their borders.Thats just insane.

And Im pretty sure you wouldnt just let strange people come in if you had the chance.There is an easy way to prove this:Do you invite every homeless guy that you pass through to your house?I mean, giving food wont cut it, since they would still be in the same situation.The "right" thing to do would be to get those people to your house and elt them live there to try to give them a better life.Do you do that?Most likely not.Why?Because its not your fault.The one that should be fixing those guys problems is the government.The same applies to Europe.

There is no ideal answer to this.Every action has a consequence.If you dont fix the problem, but rather stimulate remending the problem, people will get accoustomed to it and things will never change.

Here is the thing. As a regular human being we dont have enough power to get that homeless guy out of his situation. But Europe being a nation they can definitely help the immigrants and help solve the crisis in Africa and then when it's all over the Africans have a choice of going back or not.



KLXVER said:
Nautilus said:

Its a bit different.In that situation, I would certainly do what you just said(most likely),maybe even let the woman stay in my house for one day, but with imigrants you cant say "oh sure come in for one or two years then go back to your country" because the situation of those countries wont be resolved that soon.You are basically making them citizens.If it were a handful of people, then sure you could ddo it, because Europe could handle a handful of imigrants.But there are millions upon millions of them.Even if you let them all in, surely a good percentage of them would still live in a bad life condition.It wouldnt be Europes fault either, they would be making their best in a horrible scenario.And even then, the ones paying for all these people that just came in are the citizens.And thats also not fair with them.This is not a black and white situation as many people like to think it is.

If only the UN would focus more on stuff like this instead of worrying about Japanese men looking at drawings of underaged girls...

lol yeah.I hope those organizations start being more productive instead of going after such silly things.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1