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Forums - Politics Discussion - Economic migrants from Africa flooding Europe! This needs to stop!

 

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Yes, these people aren't... 111 54.68%
 
No, they're refugees, an... 49 24.14%
 
We shouldn't encourage t... 43 21.18%
 
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hershel_layton said:

This post is enough to lock the thread. Same as always.

 

Anti immigration stance, 70% of people disagree, same arguments, same rebutals, and so forth.

You do not need to participate in the group discussion. 



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North* Africa



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

Unfortunately, North and West Africa are largely dysfunctional so Im not surprised this is happening. Almost every negative stereotype stems primarily from these two regions. People in the South have options (South Africa, Botswana, Namibia and Zambia). The East has Kenya and Tanzania. Geography plays a role of course. The ball is purely in Europes court, if they want to they can stop this by simply saying NO and if need be repatriating these individuals by force. Of course that wont look pretty >_>



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

SpokenTruth said:
barneystinson69 said:

Your opinion seems just as unfair as the person you replied too. You can't blame the west for the problems in Africa, especially since colonialism effectively ended in most of the continent over 1/2 a century ago.

And maybe the people wouldn't be drowning if they didn't cross the sea in the first place...

Do you honestly think 50 years is enough time to econimically rise from the exploitations of colonialism given the circumstances of the continent?

 

Walk a mile in their shoes is an idiom that I feel you should highly consider.

Yes, I do. Several African countries have done it after all.



hershel_layton said:
barneystinson69 said:

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

What amazing logic

 

 

Sure, China is rich, but look at the setbacks. Do you think people there live in mansions and use money as toilet paper? No. Most people are stuck working in factories and get horrible wages.

 

As for africa, it's always had a horrible history(unlike China and india). Don't forget that China is considered one of the greatest dynasties in the history of human kind. 

 

Africa is an entire continent. Much bigger than India or europe. To say, "work hard" and expect any sort of difference is farcical. Africa has a horrible history. Not only that, but you can't do much with a place that's basically an oven. At least other areas are resource rich(or have any resources at all). 

 

Africa is something that won't be solved until the next century(of we started working on it today and kept working). The damage is simply too much

 

Contrary to what many believe Africa isn't really that poor. A lot of countries there are doing fairly decent and are growing by 5%+ year on year. Countries like South Africa, Gabon, Equitorial Guinea aren't that bad.

 

Nautilus said:
KLXVER said:

Well he seems to not want people to come here. Why does he care if he doesnt live here? I still dont know why he hates the idea...

I just explained why....

he just wants the best for Europe.You are not solving the world problems by letting them in.These countries(the ones the imigrants come from) will continue to "produce" people in bad conditions because their economy/politics keeps draging the country down(corruption, lack of better administration, etc).The actual right thing to do is go and fix those countries problems, which is something thats not easily done.If you just keep acepting people in, these refugees wont stop comming, because who wouldnt turn down a chance to have a better life?That in consequence will bring problems to Europes own countries problems, such as finding jobs for those people, making them learn the language, spending money keeping them healthy, and long term problems too, such as providing a good retirement pay for them and many more.

I mean, 80% of Chinas population is poor and Im pretty sure a good percentage of that numbers lives in bad condition.Do you really think Europe can simply say,"hey come on over!" and solve all the worlds problems?

Uh... China's population below poverty is 5%. lol



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It's unfortunate, but these people notice that European countries' allow very easy terms for non-natives (whether that be refugees who need it or people who abuse the system) and thus go there to live an easier life. The net effect is a weakening society because these people have kids (usually at a higher rate than the natives) that sometimes carry on this careless mindset due to the environment they were raised in.



The biggest problem with Africa is, the resources it has that could bring in money and help build structure, the industries that could make huge change, all belong to non Africans. Coco, tea, and hundreds of other exports are all ran by and owned by rich western companies and non of them give back.

Secondly, the humans that are so great, civilised and about justice and peace, I.e. Our great leaders, they don't care about dictators in African countries unless it is a threat to Israel or it may affect their trading (Egypt for example).

So we pillage the continent, we use it and abuse it, we turn a blind eye to the dictators and violent extremists and then we expect what exactly?!

The issue is the world is largely ran by selfish people. They won't help another country unless there is something in it for them, be it oil or gold etc. Humans do not work together as a unit, at least not decision makers. They work as gangs and clicks and unless you have something to offer them they will either rob you or beat you.

As people have said there is no real solution to this because those who can are doing nothing and at the same time you cant turn people away who are fighting life and death.

If people really care, there would be far more genuine efforts in creating solutions than there is of blaming refugees and immigrants. Blaming the people caught in the crossfire is essentially a cop out.



This is a class example of why Africa is the way it is:

https://youtu.be/WNYemuiAOfU



Fei-Hung said:
This is a class example of why Africa is the way it is:

https://youtu.be/WNYemuiAOfU

Whoop, my country representin <_<! Always showing the poorer parts though >_>. Over the last few years we've been leaning heavily pro China because of crap like this. Hell, a Chinese contractor is constructing a four lane highway a few hundred meters away from me as I type. Ive always wondered why Western contrators have so few commercial activities here, its probably for the best.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

Swordmasterman said:
barneystinson69 said:

Doesn't it also state that refugees can't choose which nations they want to reside in? I see many flooding into France and the UK, so you can explain that as well. And immigrating these people to Europe isn't going to solve the problem that is going on right now. They'll just keep coming in because they'll never bother to improve their nations! It can be done, look at how far China has progressed in the past few decades. India is also starting to become more advanced, and the people get richer everyday. If Africa tried as hard as these nations did, then I'm sure they'll be just as well off.

You are listing 2  Countries with the most population and with a Lot of Land Territories. Stop bitching around. Every day my country host countless people from other countries and some from a country  which have less than 1/350 of the Territory of my country you seems like the Housemakers of the South region of my country, Complaning about something that will not change your life  but insteady of taking your thoughts for yourself you spread the hate over those people, Tell for me who is giving "Free Money" for someone ? A lot i Mean really a Lot of those people are Doctors, Teachers (Majority of the People who came from the Haiti are former Doctors in something, or atleast have a University Degree), No one is giving Free Money for anyone they are just giving opportunities for people to work and live their lifes like any Human should live, The Countries who took them will receive back their money with their services for the Society .

 

People from another countries cannot Judge people from other countries but when we have a Nation in Misery near a Nation with Fortune in Abundance it is really Greed and Selfish to let people die in front of you when you could have saved their lifes.

A Country cannot interfere with other Country's affairs otherwise this would lead  to a War, but, they must help other Countries if they can and if the  other Country needs help.

Wtf are you talking about? Majority of those people are doctors?? Are you mad? Majority of them are young illiterate males and 90% of those will nevet have job other then drug dealing. Free money is exactly what they are here for. State gives them a place to live and a pay check for food, that is all they want. I know families who are living from social support money for two generations allready and they have no intention to work. All they do is making children...

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