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Is the Xbox Scorpio coming too late? Or is MS trying to reinvent console gens?

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I prefer:

Scorpio in 2017, Xbox 2 in 2019 15 17.65%
 
Scorpio in 2017, Scorpio 2 in 2021 29 34.12%
 
Segasoft Dreambox in 2698 41 48.24%
 
Total:85
archbrix said:
Honestly, Scorpio makes more sense to me than Neo. Sony has the advantage of the best performing hardware and, by far, the best sales this gen. Just seems as though a mid-gen upgrade was completely unnecessary for them and that they would have rode out this gen as champs without the need of an upgrade until PS5.

But I have no idea how the masses are going to react to this new type of business model, so we'll see.

What if the scorpio is a 9th gen console though?



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barneystinson69 said:
archbrix said:
Honestly, Scorpio makes more sense to me than Neo. Sony has the advantage of the best performing hardware and, by far, the best sales this gen. Just seems as though a mid-gen upgrade was completely unnecessary for them and that they would have rode out this gen as champs without the need of an upgrade until PS5.

But I have no idea how the masses are going to react to this new type of business model, so we'll see.

What if the scorpio is a 9th gen console though?

I think that would be the best move for Microsoft.  If that's the case (and based on Scorpio's rumored power it very well could be), it may present a bit of a problem for Neo.  Scorpio will almost certainly be backwards compatible without the hinderance of its new software having to run on the XB1.  A full gen leap will also justify buying a new console for many people.

People could just stick with the standard PS4 and/or decide to upgrade to the next gen with Scorpio in 2017, making Neo the least desirable choice and giving Microsoft at least a year head start on gen 9.




I'm fine with an incremental upgrade if the power bump is good, but I would not like them starting a whole new gen because that would make it too long before we started to see games actually take advantage of the newer hardware. Unless they plan on having some Scorpio exclusive games.



archbrix said:
barneystinson69 said:

What if the scorpio is a 9th gen console though?

 

I think that would be the best move for Microsoft.  If that's the case (and based on Scorpio's rumored power it very well could be), it may present a bit of a problem for Neo.  Scorpio will almost certainly be backwards compatible without the hinderance of its new software having to run on the XB1.  A full gen leap will also justify buying a new console for many people.

People could just stick with the standard PS4 and/or decide to upgrade to the next gen with Scorpio in 2017, making Neo the least desirable choice and giving Microsoft at least a year head start on gen 9.

 

Or it could also just backfire.....

Right now the dev kits for the Neo are supposed to already be out there. That means that the most sony can chsnge now are clock speeds. No need changing the increased bandwidth cause at thr end of the day thr Neo is still designed to run games natively at 1080p. If sony does chsmge the clock speed of the GPU if they really are using a Polaris GPU then that can go up from 900mhz+ to 1200mhz+. That tskes perfomance up from 4TF+ to around 5.5TF.

Where this poses a problem is that if the Neo comes this year, by next year when the scorpio is coming it will be competing not just with a much cheaper neo, but with all of playstation. As i have said before, devs domt look at MS or sony and see scorpio or Neo. They see, 80M PS4s and 40M XB1s. It will be the PS2 all over again where even tho MS has thr more powerful box games will still be made using the higher selling PS4 as the lead platform. 

Whatever the case tho, interesting times ahead. Guess at E3 we will find out. 



Intrinsic said:
archbrix said:

 

I think that would be the best move for Microsoft.  If that's the case (and based on Scorpio's rumored power it very well could be), it may present a bit of a problem for Neo.  Scorpio will almost certainly be backwards compatible without the hinderance of its new software having to run on the XB1.  A full gen leap will also justify buying a new console for many people.

People could just stick with the standard PS4 and/or decide to upgrade to the next gen with Scorpio in 2017, making Neo the least desirable choice and giving Microsoft at least a year head start on gen 9.

 

Or it could also just backfire.....

Right now the dev kits for the Neo are supposed to already be out there. That means that the most sony can chsnge now are clock speeds. No need changing the increased bandwidth cause at thr end of the day thr Neo is still designed to run games natively at 1080p. If sony does chsmge the clock speed of the GPU if they really are using a Polaris GPU then that can go up from 900mhz+ to 1200mhz+. That tskes perfomance up from 4TF+ to around 5.5TF.

Where this poses a problem is that if the Neo comes this year, by next year when the scorpio is coming it will be competing not just with a much cheaper neo, but with all of playstation. As i have said before, devs domt look at MS or sony and see scorpio or Neo. They see, 80M PS4s and 40M XB1s. It will be the PS2 all over again where even tho MS has thr more powerful box games will still be made using the higher selling PS4 as the lead platform. 

Whatever the case tho, interesting times ahead. Guess at E3 we will find out. 

Of course it could backfire, and I'm also playing devil's advocate in a worst case scenario for Sony, which I really don't see happening anyway.

What I'm suggesting in this scenario though is not so much "Playstation" being in trouble but "Neo" specifically.  It has to share the same software as a system with weaker specs.  As of now, we don't know if that will be the case for Scorpio, which could flex its muscle with new, exclusive 9th gen software if it really is a true 9th gen console. 

But if Neo does prove to be the choice of the masses, then I agree that companies would definitely develop for the bigger install base rather than the stronger system, putting Microsoft in the precarious position instead.




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Both Ninty and Sony are coming out with stuff before and this is something Microsoft is doing?



 

Honestly, if Microsoft didn't make so much money, I feel like Iike they wouldn't bother with another console. Luckily, they have Bill Gates, PC and a ridiculously loyal American fanbase.