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Yerm said:

When people talk about the Wii U and how much it lost out on, most people jump directly to Zelda. Its the first nintendo console not to have a dedicated Zelda game. But there are actually a lot more reasons to be upset over the Wii U's soon-to-be death than that. personally Im not the biggest Zelda fan, though i do enjoy the games i have played, i just dont want people thinking thats the only thing Wii U ownders didnt get. so now Im going to list ever way the Wii U did not live up to its potential.

1. No 3D mario platofrmer. We got 3D World but that was an experimental type mario game that mixed elements of 2D and 3D gameplay. it didnt count and don tell me it did. it was not Sunshine 2, it was not Galaxy 3, it was something nobody wanted.

2. No real Mario Party. Mario Party 10 is the definitive worst Mario Party game we ever got. it reused sound effects, graphics, and models from a few of the last party games they had worked on. not to mention people really didnt like the car mechanics and it seems like now we are doomed to keep it.

lets just get these out of the way- 3. no Metroid at all... 4. the worst Animal Crossing ever... 5. no real pokemon title either... 6. also no real kirby

7. Virtual Console is abysmal, you can get like what, not even 100 titles from each platform? i think GBA and DS line just hit 10 or 20 games.

8. on the bottom of the gamepad you will see an accessory port. no accessories were ever fully developed for it. it just exists. the Gamepad just has a useless port built into it. there were ideas for gamepad attachments, but most were scrapped very early on.

9. on the top of the gamepad there is wha I believe to be an infared sensor a lot like what the 3DS has. also never used. and dont tell me its to use with the sensor bar because i have been able to use motion controls on the gamepad without having the censor bar even plugged in. 

10. the Wii U can support up to 8 players and to my knowledge only 2 games actually utilize that feature, correct me if im wrong.

those are all the things i wanted to mention. now let me clarify this- this is not specifically a list of things Nintendo should have done, and I am saying anything about the hardware or specs. i focused on potential- things the console could have done in its current state, but didnt. 

The Wii U isn't missing out on zelda, no amount of denial will change that.

It has a 3d mario. It has a mario Party. It didn't get metroid, that was an animal crossing spin off, not a new AC. No nintendo home console ever got a real pokemon title but wii u got the awesome pokken tournament. It didn't get kirby.

Meanwhile, it got a new star fox after a long hiatus, as well as new games like splatoon, bayonetta 2, TW101, smt x fe... It certainly could have gotten better support from nintendo but the quantity of software is roughly on par with the gamecube and the quality is a lot higher.

7. Sounds like a useless thing to complain. It's not like the VC will get smaller with time.

8-10 seems like you just wanted excuses to complain.



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Wow. Super Mario 3D World is definitely a 3D platformer, though not an adventure game like 64 and Sunshine was. And the game is incredible.

I get your other points though, its commercial failure is at blame for the lack of an expansive and continued software support even from Nintendo.



Yerm said:

When people talk about the Wii U and how much it lost out on, most people jump directly to Zelda. Its the first nintendo console not to have a dedicated Zelda game. But there are actually a lot more reasons to be upset over the Wii U's soon-to-be death than that. personally Im not the biggest Zelda fan, though i do enjoy the games i have played, i just dont want people thinking thats the only thing Wii U ownders didnt get. so now Im going to list ever way the Wii U did not live up to its potential.

1. No 3D mario platofrmer. We got 3D World but that was an experimental type mario game that mixed elements of 2D and 3D gameplay. it didnt count and don tell me it did. it was not Sunshine 2, it was not Galaxy 3, it was something nobody wanted.

2. No real Mario Party. Mario Party 10 is the definitive worst Mario Party game we ever got. it reused sound effects, graphics, and models from a few of the last party games they had worked on. not to mention people really didnt like the car mechanics and it seems like now we are doomed to keep it.

lets just get these out of the way- 3. no Metroid at all... 4. the worst Animal Crossing ever... 5. no real pokemon title either... 6. also no real kirby

7. Virtual Console is abysmal, you can get like what, not even 100 titles from each platform? i think GBA and DS line just hit 10 or 20 games.

8. on the bottom of the gamepad you will see an accessory port. no accessories were ever fully developed for it. it just exists. the Gamepad just has a useless port built into it. there were ideas for gamepad attachments, but most were scrapped very early on.

9. on the top of the gamepad there is wha I believe to be an infared sensor a lot like what the 3DS has. also never used. and dont tell me its to use with the sensor bar because i have been able to use motion controls on the gamepad without having the censor bar even plugged in. 

10. the Wii U can support up to 8 players and to my knowledge only 2 games actually utilize that feature, correct me if im wrong.

those are all the things i wanted to mention. now let me clarify this- this is not specifically a list of things Nintendo should have done, and I am saying anything about the hardware or specs. i focused on potential- things the console could have done in its current state, but didnt. 

1. Super Mario 3D World is a real 3D Mario game and it is not the first linear 3D Mario game that mixes in 2D elements as both the Galaxy games beat it to that. There has not been a serious collect-a-thon type Mario game since Mario Sunshine or Mario 64 DS if remakes count. On a slightly seperate note I must say that I do miss collect-a-thon Mario games and collect-a-thon games in general and it would have been nice if Nintendo made one (although from what I hear Lego City apparently comes really close to being that type of game, which is why I am trying to hunt down a copy).

2. I do not know enough about the Mario Party series to comment.

3-4. I can agree with all of that.

5. I agree with this because technically the statement is correct. However, I would like to point out that no other Nintendo home consoles ever got a mainline Pokemon game. There were certainly alot of spinoffs, and I honestly think Pokken is probably one of the better spinoffs. However, I agree because as you mentioned in your post, it is one of the things that Nintendo could have done (and I believe should have done pretty early on, because it could have really helped the system)

6. I agree.

7.  I agree. I really like that Nintendo added the DS and GBA and I like many of the games that they included. However, I will agree that the library is limited and I would have liked it if they also worked on convincing those that made Wii VC games (NEC, Capcom, SNK Playmore, Sega) to bring their emulators over to Wii U.

8. I can agree. The only cancelled accessory that I saw Nintendo show for the Gamepad was the Wii U Zapper and it used the port to connect to the Zapper's buttons and the nunchuck controller.

9. I am not sure which of the two IR modules in the Gamepad you are talking about, but both of them have been used. One of the modules is a lightstrip surrounding the camera. This lightstrip essentially acts as a sensor bar and lets you play Wii/Wii U games that need the Wii Remote pointer off-screen. The other IR module is on the top next to the power and headphone ports. This is an IR communication module similar to the one on the 3DS and infront of Wii Remotes. You are correct that it is not used for motion controls (even the one on the Wii was not used for motion controls but rather more as a pointer). This module was used for the TV remote functionality built-in to the Gamepad as well as to recieve and send information from and to the Wii Fit Meter.

10. You are correct. However, in all honesty I do not see any use for this feature outside of games like Smash where all players takeup the screen and Mario Party where the mini games are simple enough that spliot screen (usually) does not distract you. I cannot imagine playing Super Mario 3D World with 8 players fighting for camera control or Splatoon with 8-player split-screen.

I am going to add one other point to the list, which is support for two Gamepads. Now I will say that Nintendo had trouble convincing people of using one Gamepad (and there was also trouble designing games that made effective use of it) and with the way the system ended up it probably never made sense to sell the Gamepad seperatly (especially as they are expensive). However, it is nevertheless a feature that the Wii U has but was never used. 

Also, how did Wii U lose Zelda? The next Zelda is coming to the Wii U and NX. That is like saying that Gamecube lost WW because it eventually came out on Wii U or that GC lost Twilight Princess because it also came on the Wii and later Wii U. People who own a Wii U can still play the game when it releases.



Yerm said:

When people talk about the Wii U and how much it lost out on, most people jump directly to Zelda. Its the first nintendo console not to have a dedicated Zelda game. But there are actually a lot more reasons to be upset over the Wii U's soon-to-be death than that. personally Im not the biggest Zelda fan, though i do enjoy the games i have played, i just dont want people thinking thats the only thing Wii U ownders didnt get. so now Im going to list ever way the Wii U did not live up to its potential.

1. No 3D mario platofrmer. We got 3D World but that was an experimental type mario game that mixed elements of 2D and 3D gameplay. it didnt count and don tell me it did. it was not Sunshine 2, it was not Galaxy 3, it was something nobody wanted.

2. No real Mario Party. Mario Party 10 is the definitive worst Mario Party game we ever got. it reused sound effects, graphics, and models from a few of the last party games they had worked on. not to mention people really didnt like the car mechanics and it seems like now we are doomed to keep it.

lets just get these out of the way- 3. no Metroid at all... 4. the worst Animal Crossing ever... 5. no real pokemon title either... 6. also no real kirby

7. Virtual Console is abysmal, you can get like what, not even 100 titles from each platform? i think GBA and DS line just hit 10 or 20 games.

8. on the bottom of the gamepad you will see an accessory port. no accessories were ever fully developed for it. it just exists. the Gamepad just has a useless port built into it. there were ideas for gamepad attachments, but most were scrapped very early on.

9. on the top of the gamepad there is wha I believe to be an infared sensor a lot like what the 3DS has. also never used. and dont tell me its to use with the sensor bar because i have been able to use motion controls on the gamepad without having the censor bar even plugged in. 

10. the Wii U can support up to 8 players and to my knowledge only 2 games actually utilize that feature, correct me if im wrong.

those are all the things i wanted to mention. now let me clarify this- this is not specifically a list of things Nintendo should have done, and I am saying anything about the hardware or specs. i focused on potential- things the console could have done in its current state, but didnt. 

First things first the Wii U is getting Zelda and it also got 2 HD remakes and probably the best spinoff the series ever got.

1-3D World is a 3D plat. and is more of a real Mario than Sunshine.

2-MP10 is a MP game just because it has a different formula doesn't make any less of a MP game.

3-While yes Wii U didn't get a new Metroid game but neither did the N64 and the 3DS is only getting a spinoff and while not new we did get a VC release of the Prime trilogy

4-I don't know what you're talking about the Wii U didn'd get AC, it did however get apretty bad spinoff,witch I wouldn't be suprise if it was only made after Nintendo quietly moved ACU to NX(note that I'm not saying that it was but you can't say that it didn't happened)

5-Every Nintendo hc has gotten a Pokémon spinoff and if the Wii U but after XY a Pokémon Stadium type game wasn't needed and the GC games if  a new one then people would be complaining that we got a watered down Pokémon game,at least Pokkén a different spinoff

6-The GC also only got a spinoff and the DS only had 1 actual new Kirby game and the DS sold 150m+.

7-this is the only point I agree Nintendo should have done more with the VC both with there own games and with 3rd parties but at least we got MP Trilogy,Earthbound and EB and we might get M3.

8/9- I don't really understand why the Wii U not get accessories a bad thing

10- Unless it's 8 players online most Wii U games wouldn't have benefit from it the system handling 8 players,the games that used it have all players in 1 screen so I don't know what games could have used this.



Half of these are boringly subjective.



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op:
1. No 3D mario platofrmer. We got 3D World but that was an experimental type mario game that mixed elements of 2D and 3D gameplay. it didnt count and don tell me it did. it was not Sunshine 2, it was not Galaxy 3, it was something nobody wanted.
response: I wanted it. It's the 1st 3rd mario i've ever enjoyed. I've tried them all from the 64 to now. Hated sunshine, galaxy 1&2 were mediocre at best. 64 was the dawn of the overglorified collect-o-thons. 3dworld is the most personally enjoyable 3d mario experience ever and i'm happy to have it.
2. No real Mario Party. Mario Party 10 is the definitive worst Mario Party game we ever got. it reused sound effects, graphics, and models from a few of the last party games they had worked on. not to mention people really didnt like the car mechanics and it seems like now we are doomed to keep it.
response: speaking of games i'm not asking for... mario party 4 should just be coming out. there is no reason to have 11 digital board games in a series. rediculous. i don't understand the appeal of a new board game.

lets just get these out of the way- 3. no Metroid at all... 4. the worst Animal Crossing ever... 5. no real pokemon title either... 6. also no real kirby
response: 3-justified, 4-justified i suppose. 5. that's a handheld title. Keep it off my home consoles. 6. unless it's going 3d then it doesn't matter. 2d platformers are beyond outdated and should never cost more than $20
7. Virtual Console is abysmal, you can get like what, not even 100 titles from each platform? i think GBA and DS line just hit 10 or 20 games.
response: arguable, but take it.
8. on the bottom of the gamepad you will see an accessory port. no accessories were ever fully developed for it. it just exists. the Gamepad just has a useless port built into it. there were ideas for gamepad attachments, but most were scrapped very early on.
response: believe that port hooks into the charging dock as an alternative to the a/c port.
9. on the top of the gamepad there is wha I believe to be an infared sensor a lot like what the 3DS has. also never used. and dont tell me its to use with the sensor bar because i have been able to use motion controls on the gamepad without having the censor bar even plugged in.
response: go into "wii mode" and choose "gamepad only" i believe. You can use it as a tv screen for your wii remote. It is also used for golf in "wii sports club"
10. the Wii U can support up to 8 players and to my knowledge only 2 games actually utilize that feature, correct me if im wrong.
response: do you really want them to force more features/gimmicks????

now, let me just throw it out there. I'm not just being argumentative for the sake of it. I think the wii-u is probably the worst nintendo console ever made due to pricing, support, and even concept.



alright, i should clarify some of these points seeing as people are getting the wrong ideas. irst and foremost, i am aware that the Wii U got multiple VC zelda games as well as 2 remasters, but nothing new ever came to the system.

1. I am not saying 3D World is a bad game but it wasnt the mario experience I wanted to see and i know a lot of people that would agree. the 2D / 3D mix was interesting but i dont want to keep it this way. and really, the cat bell powerup feels like such an unneeded addition. there are so many powerups to choose from. the Galaxy games gave us cloud mario, rock mario, a drill, and all of those fit better than a cat suit.

2. dont try to defend it, MP10 was terrible in every respect. it built upon a gameplay mechanic that people hated. a lot of the minigames were based on pure luck. it reused old assets from past party titles. and it had an entire game mode locked behind amiibo. its the embodiment of everything people hate about modern games.

5. i understand Pokken Tournament is a thing that exists, hell im planning on buying it soon. but there are only like 12 pokemon that you can use, and you dont even play as a real trainer. im just saying i would have wanted something more.

6. yeah, the 3DS has Kirby covered, but the Wii had local multiplayer kirby platformers and something like that in HD would have been amazing.

8. while the Wii U doesnt necessarily need add-ons, the port is there and it was never utilized. just google some of the things it could have been used for and then get back to me.



Yerm said:
alright, i should clarify some of these points seeing as people are getting the wrong ideas. irst and foremost, i am aware that the Wii U got multiple VC zelda games as well as 2 remasters, but nothing new ever came to the system.

1. I am not saying 3D World is a bad game but it wasnt the mario experience I wanted to see and i know a lot of people that would agree. the 2D / 3D mix was interesting but i dont want to keep it this way. and really, the cat bell powerup feels like such an unneeded addition. there are so many powerups to choose from. the Galaxy games gave us cloud mario, rock mario, a drill, and all of those fit better than a cat suit.

2. dont try to defend it, MP10 was terrible in every respect. it built upon a gameplay mechanic that people hated. a lot of the minigames were based on pure luck. it reused old assets from past party titles. and it had an entire game mode locked behind amiibo. its the embodiment of everything people hate about modern games.

5. i understand Pokken Tournament is a thing that exists, hell im planning on buying it soon. but there are only like 12 pokemon that you can use, and you dont even play as a real trainer. im just saying i would have wanted something more.

6. yeah, the 3DS has Kirby covered, but the Wii had local multiplayer kirby platformers and something like that in HD would have been amazing.

8. while the Wii U doesnt necessarily need add-ons, the port is there and it was never utilized. just google some of the things it could have been used for and then get back to me.

Zelda HD is still coming to the system and it got what might be the best spinoff of the series and it wasn't just VC releases and HD remakes so you are wrong on that front.

1-So 3DW wasn't the Mario experience you wanted,so what? it's still a 3D Mario game,also you want a Mario experience yet you mentioned Sunshine 2 in your original post when the original is less of a Mario game than 3DW.

2-MP10 is still an MP game,and while I don't agree with the locked amiibo content in the game,the mode itselve it's just a watered down version of the old games that looks to be in the game because of the amiibo,so it doesn't matter what you or I like or dislike about the game or aspects of it it's still an MP game.

5-No Nintendo console has gotten a true Pokémon game,the N64 and Wii games were just Pokémon fights in 3D with the 64 having mini games and the GC ones while they were RPG they still weren't like the hh games so consoles always got spinoffs so again you are wrong on that one since the Wii U didn't miss anything.

6-the GC also only got a spinoff just like the Wii U and besides the only reason the 3DS is getting a 2nd Kirby plat. and not the Wii U is because they can reused its game engine,it's cheaper,faster and because of the sales of both systems,this gen Kirby got 3 games, 1 spinoff and 2 new main series game if the Wii u sold more maybe it would have gotten it's own main series game and the 3DS a spinoff but that it's just baseless speculation on my part.

8-if your response to people is "google it and get back to me" then maybe don't bring it up,you're the one bring it up it's your job to explain it not googles