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What should we use based on expenses?

Cartridges 201 52.48%
 
Discs 182 47.52%
 
Total:383
Soundwave said:
Disc media is probably on its way out, in general people stopped using discs for music ages ago and using them for movies and PC software has also started to fizzle out.

Games will be next.

Your kids will laugh at you when you tell them you used to play video games on plate sized shiny discs.

Emm what?





That's a bit misleading as all album sales are declining in favor of streaming
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-34323530
Yet about 80 million CD sales in the US last year, that's not stopped using discs ages ago.

It's more fair to say people stop caring about actually owning music, movies and next games. Streaming is the future :( Ownership is on its way out.

Btw my kids play video games on discs!



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I confess, i do think they are the future. Disc drives just can't keep up with the rate ofdata transfer and go pretty much unused on the ps4 and x1. Everything gets put in the HDD. I would like to see cartridges make a return, because it would make games perform better.
Also, disc drives have always been easy to malfunction/deteriorate. It also results in a cooler and sturdier system.

So, the only question is: will the costs finally allow it?



Jumpin said:
I'm interested in neither. Downloadable games are all I care about. I know that won't happen, I have heard most of the US still has dial-up Internet or no access at all. But if Nintendo could make a disk-free version of the console for cheaper, at least in Europe, I'd be all over that.

Not since 2008 have I met anybody who still uses dialup. Your statistic sounds old and probably only referred to geography rather than population. Certainly people who play video games have high speed internet of some form. I can only see it affecting 1% of gamers at most.



Qwark said:
I doubt a card ridge of 64gb is cheaper than a 50gb blu ray. Besides some still use the blu ray function of the PS4, it is still the best way to view hd movies and series. Besides what's wrong with the system the PS4 and Xone use where the game is transferred to your hard drive, works fine by me.

You are quite right, do a simple search on 16GB, 32GB and 64GB flash against 25GB and 50GB Bluray disks and there is no contest since Bluray disks are so much cheaper especially in OEM quantities.

What is also to realise is that Bluray discs are what is called in the industry "passive" devices while flash or cartridges are "active" devices and are much more prone to failure than Bluray although to be fair flash and cartridges are fairly reliable.

It may be possible for Nintendo to go back to cartridges but if they do that don't expect third party developers to support that media especially when the competing media is relatively cheap. Of course, we can also look at Digital Downloads and a cartridge based system can't beat that especially if the storage media is a solid state disk (SSD) which can actually be very much faster than a cartridge. SSD's are not exactly cheap although it is possible to get 250GB SSD's for under $100 and in the fairly near future, you will be able to get 1TB or more SSD's allot cheaper.

At the moment, you can actually get a 15TB SSD but you won't get much change from $8000.00, still the potential is there.



Ka-pi96 said:
Jumpin said:
I'm interested in neither. Downloadable games are all I care about. I know that won't happen, I have heard most of the US still has dial-up Internet or no access at all. But if Nintendo could make a disk-free version of the console for cheaper, at least in Europe, I'd be all over that.

heh, I don't think it's as bad as dial-up. More that a lot of people still have data caps so digital only isn't really feasibly for them.

Data caps are pretty rare and pretty high when they do exist (500GB /month.) US ISPs charge more based on speed rather than charge by data caps because it is more profitable that way. 



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Nem said:
I confess, i do think they are the future. Disc drives just can't keep up with the rate ofdata transfer and go pretty much unused on the ps4 and x1. Everything gets put in the HDD. I would like to see cartridges make a return, because it would make games perform better.
Also, disc drives have always been easy to malfunction/deteriorate. It also results in a cooler and sturdier system.

So, the only question is: will the costs finally allow it?

Cartridges are not the future especially if you consider Digital Downloads and installing off media to internal storage.

Hard Disk Drives (HDD's) are prone to malfunction and are susceptible to shock (ie. dropping) however, you can replace these with Solid State Disks (SSD's) although at the moment the cost can be quite expensive but they are dropping in price.

What is important to realise here, is  cartridges  as well as SSD's are reasonably shock resistant and draw only a small amount of power, however even HDD's don't draw all that much power (my PC's 3TB 3.5" HDD draws less than 8W). The main power hog of any PC and consoles are a dedicated PC is a combination of CPU, Memory and Graphics card  and depending on the graphics card this can draw two to ten time or more power than the CPU and all this power in the form of heat has to be removed otherwise the system will burn out, hence a decent and usually bulky cooling system is required.

As for loading times, a solid state device will load much faster than a hard disk however once the program is in memory the performance of the storage media is really not important.



nitus10 said:
Nem said:
I confess, i do think they are the future. Disc drives just can't keep up with the rate ofdata transfer and go pretty much unused on the ps4 and x1. Everything gets put in the HDD. I would like to see cartridges make a return, because it would make games perform better.
Also, disc drives have always been easy to malfunction/deteriorate. It also results in a cooler and sturdier system.

So, the only question is: will the costs finally allow it?

Cartridges are not the future especially if you consider Digital Downloads and installing off media to internal storage.

Hard Disk Drives (HDD's) are prone to malfunction and are susceptible to shock (ie. dropping) however, you can replace these with Solid State Disks (SSD's) although at the moment the cost can be quite expensive but they are dropping in price.

What is important to realise here, is  cartridges  as well as SSD's are reasonably shock resistant and draw only a small amount of power, however even HDD's don't draw all that much power (my PC's 3TB 3.5" HDD draws less than 8W). The main power hog of any PC and consoles are a dedicated PC is a combination of CPU, Memory and Graphics card  and depending on the graphics card this can draw two to ten time or more power than the CPU and all this power in the form of heat has to be removed otherwise the system will burn out, hence a decent and usually bulky cooling system is required.

As for loading times, a solid state device will load much faster than a hard disk however once the program is in memory the performance of the storage media is really not important.

I'm sorry, but you are making a case that solid state drives are better, but those aren't discs. VS discs its obvious that cartdridges are looking better.

Also, these theories always assume everyone has an awesome internet connection everywhere and yes, theres the costs to consider. SSHD are pricy.

Costs are the most important factor in all of this.



This has produced a good discussion! Glad to see all these different opinions. Personally, I'm leaning towards wanting everything to be cartridge form. It seems to reduce the price (overall over a console lifespan) of various things and is a whole lot more durable than a disc that can easily be scratched. Also, the size of them makes carrying a multitude of them very easy to do in your pocket.



Dulfite said:
This has produced a good discussion! Glad to see all these different opinions. Personally, I'm leaning towards wanting everything to be cartridge form. It seems to reduce the price (overall over a console lifespan) of various things and is a whole lot more durable than a disc that can easily be scratched. Also, the size of them makes carrying a multitude of them very easy to do in your pocket.

Depends on the cartridge. 3DS cartridges sure, but I don't think you could carry many N64 cartridges in your pocket

No idea how big ones for current home consoles games would have to be though, so maybe it would work it.



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Ka-pi96 said:
Dulfite said:
This has produced a good discussion! Glad to see all these different opinions. Personally, I'm leaning towards wanting everything to be cartridge form. It seems to reduce the price (overall over a console lifespan) of various things and is a whole lot more durable than a disc that can easily be scratched. Also, the size of them makes carrying a multitude of them very easy to do in your pocket.

Depends on the cartridge. 3DS cartridges sure, but I don't think you could carry many N64 cartridges in your pocket

No idea how big ones for current home consoles games would have to be though, so maybe it would work it.

Current home console games would fit on SD cards. Such cards can already hold up to 128GB while current home console games are shipped on 25/50GB blu-rays.



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