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Conina said:
SvennoJ said:

I was a high end PC gamer during the best times to have a PC, late 80's to early noughties. 

I wouldn't call that the best time for PC gaming. In the late '80s most PC games still had EGA graphics with bad scrolling and bad Adlib sound (or even worse: PC speaker sound)... a much cheaper Amiga made more sense for gaming back then.

It was the rapid progress that made it a magical time for me. Starting with SQ2 in 1987 in glorious EGA colors I was simply being amazed at a regular basis. True Amgia was better at scrolling games and sound, but PC was catching up quick. F-19 Stealth fighter, Grand prix circuit, Indianapolis 500, Sim City, Populous, FS 4.0, all the amazing graphical adventures from Sierra and Infocom. The party started in the late 80's for me.

With VGA and sound cards there was no going back indeed. Civilization launched in 1991 and is one of my most played and favorite games ever. Actually tinkering with autoexec.at and himem.sys was a lot easier to get games to work than windows 95. DirectX was terrible in the early days. But true, progress accelerated all the way into the early noughties.



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zero129 said:
iNathan said:
It's a great time to be a gamer pc Xbox or Playstation.

Nintendo? Not so much, barely 3rd party support meh

Id imagine most people who own a Nintendo system own it for the First party games and exclusives.

So id imagine they are pretty happy.

@OP

Yes. The gaming side of PC is seeing its biggest growth in like Forever as you say.

Japan devs finally see the PC as a healty platform for their games. AAA Piracy is pretty much wiped out thanks to denevo or whatever its called.

PC Hardware is now crazy cheap for great Nextgen performance.

A game libaray that consoles could only dream about and deals to match.

Once you go PC its hard to go back.

PC piracy was essentially eliminated when Steam gained traction. After that torrents downloads were only being counted in the thousands rather than the millions.

WolfpackN64 said:
Bethesda still refuses to port their games to Linux and Microsoft's app platform s*cks.

Use Wine.

Ruler said:

I dissagree, despite PC gaming having a lot less games in the past it had a lot more significant exclusives and felt like it was worth owning a capable gaming pc along with your consoles. Even during the 7th gen you had at least crysis and starcraft 2 looking way beyond console graphics.

And in general PC has no real quality good rts games anymore, like Warcraft 3, Age of Empires  2, Battle Realms, C&C and so on. Blizzard is more busy to make a fps game , a dota clone, a warcraft card game or a mediocore warcraft movie rather than to make a new real Warcraft game.

For me these exclusives truely mattered, Warcraft 3 and the promise of Starcraft 2 is what innitially made me go to the PC route instead buying a PS3 for 600$. Today its the completly opposite with Bloodborne being now my favorite game of all time, only on the ps4.

Today i get almost every game now the pc gets on my ps4, and i think with the PS4 Neo and frequant console upgrades the library will just keep growing and growing where it one day the difference will be small in comparison to steam. Just today i got the Last Blade 2 on my PS4 and vita TV, is this avaible on steam? Last month i got Resident Evil 6, 0, 1 remasters, Valkyria chronicles, Gravity Rush and so on. 

And the power advantage with the neo will also become more irrelavnt, espacially if i can also play my exclusive in better performance as well, like Bloodborne.

PC always had tons of games, it is the platform with the MOST games. Always has, always will because it can retain full backwards compatability over decades worth of Titles AND emulate other platforms.

The PC has never lacked in quantity.

As for the RTS Genre. Well. It's matured.
Blizzard still leads the pack with StarCraft, but you also have Civilization, Beyond Earth, Heroes of might and Magic, Settlers, Total War and a few others like Planetary annihilation, Company of Heroes, Sins of a Solar Empire, Homeworld and more.
Granted... The PC isn't getting RTS games almost on a weekly basis compared to the late 90's early 2000's. But they are still there and it is still the best platform to play them.

Halo Wars gave it a good run for it's money, but ultimately fell short, but still is one of the best console RTS games of all time, I have hope with Halo Wars 2. :)

Skratchy said:
They just need to make more PC games, but consoles are where the money is. Can you imagine a studio like Naughty Dog working on a PC game?


PC does not have an issue with Quantiy. It has more games than any other platform.

It has an issue with quality, there are some high-end studio's like Blizzard, Cloud Imperium Games, Valve, Maxis, Firaxis etc'. But the bulk of PC titles are poorly ported console ports or low-budget games.

Companies like Crytek, 4A Games, have historically pushed the PC to it's limits with great praise (FarCry, Crysis, Metro 2033.) Which really showed what the PC could do at the time, some of those "last generation" games could even compete with this generations console games.

At the moment, Cloud Imperium Games is really the only developer willing to push the best PC hardware to it's knees, and it shows, with effects that just can't be done on console due to how expensive they are, but that is also a developer that is funded by PC gamers for PC Gamers.

Things are changing though, there seems to be a reinvigorated emphasis in making quality PC ports which are a step-up form the console versions, thankfully.

Ruler said:
Johnw1104 said:

First, your interests must be fairly limited as far as PC games go as there is zero chance you could get "almost every game" the PC gets on your PS4. Just take a gander through Steam's library, the number of games you can't get on consoles is rather staggering.

Second, the PS4 Neo will do nothing to close the gap with the PC (do consider a new generation of GPUs is just about to hit the market tomorrow), nor will "frequent console upgrades" really alter the console library all that much. It's not a safe assumption that console upgrades will happen any more than once per console lifecycle, and that isn't what's separating the two libraries to begin with.

We're still waiting to see if they'll even release proper consoles going forward, after all. The gap between the two libraries, in my experience, is actually growing between the consoles and the PC, not shrinking. The one thing that might actually unite the two is something like the Steam box, and I do wonder with these console upgrades and such if people might not begin simply looking at those... they already have an assortment of upgrades available, after all, as well as access to PC games.

I dont see any game i missing on my PS4 the PC has, but theres quite a lot of high quality exclusives the PS4 has the PC lacks. Sure the PC has its mobas and free to play games but these dont interest me, even if they would i only would havet he time, money and dedication to play one of them. Sorry but to say some obscure indie game or free to play game is on the same quality like Bloodborne or U4 is redicolous.

Steam has a lot of legacy games from previous generations but do you what there is in the console world? PS1, 2 and 3. You can play all these games as well on your older console.

And no i dont see how the steam library gets bigger and bigger over PSN, PC gamers used to bragg about all these indies. Now we do get them too and even for free on PS+, and more and more free to play games at least the popular ones. Same way with 7th games, we get more and more remasters and older games on PS4. Along every new release plus exclusives from japanese devoloper or from Sony. No the difference becomes smaller and samller

Yeah the Neo is strong enough to play games in 60fps. Can you built a stronger pc? sure you can but the Neo is hitting the average target of PC gamers wallets, lets be honest.

Why should Sony reset the next gen? they arent even sure there will be a PS5. From now on the PS4 library will get bigger and bigger

Just because a platform doesn't have the games you enjoy, doesn't make it trash. The Playstation platform has zero titles I would even spend 5 minuits playing, it is a platform that is a complete and utter waste of money for me as a gamer.
But that is all personal taste and opinion, all platforms have games that are worth playing and are of high quality, even mobile devices.

As for game library size... Keep in mind every time a console generation starts, the game library is essentially reset, Microsoft has tried to work around that with Backwards compatability, but that is only a few hundred titles, Steam has THOUSANDS.
The PC has decades worth of titles, that just constantly builds up, which is why in sheer volume the Playstation 4 can't touch the PC in terms of quanitity... And when the next generation of consoles launch, your available titles will again, reset whilst the PC continues to build and add more.

Azuren said:
zero129 said:

It is an ampressive list and the is only 1 moba and i think 2 mmos on it. Many of them other games are not Mobas or MMos, and Clearly you know also the list could be much bigger if i wanted to add the wealth of exclusive platform games, JRPG games, Racing games, Beat Em Up games etc.

But then this thread would be 100 pages long with just PC exclusives being listed.

And if Ruler doesnt like FPS games and with FPS games also being the biggest selling Genre on PS4, so i guess he should just sell his PS4 then?.

And no the "Best" games dont tend to be exclusive.

The Witcher 3 thats not exclusive,

No mans sky thats not exclusive,

Street Fighter 5? nope not exclusive,

Final Fantasy 7? na not exclusive?

FFVs13 nope not exclusive,

Shemue 3? na thats not exclusie.

Devil may cry?

Metal Gear solid?

Tales of?

the list goes on and on, unless you think all Sony exclusive games are better then 3rd party offerings and in this case you would then be a big time Sony fan clearly but this is still no reason to be blinded.

Hell i wouldnt put the order in with any of them games.

Final Fantasy 7 and shemue i know i will enjoy more then any Sony exclusive including Uncharted 4.

Ignorance is one thing. Being plane insulting is another.

Users like Ruler and you with your sly little jab (Only fps,mobas) know well that the PC has a wealth of different exclusives in a number of different Genres, and is now also getting IMO the "BEST" console exclusives also from both sides.

Not only that but PC multi plat games get to play with both Sony and MS gamers!.

True its only Rocket Leagure that i know of thats doing this now, but i can see all future games allowing this.

And no Genre doesnt devide console and PC. PC has all the Same genres as console however the other way around is not true.

Only thing that is true is that PC has much more Exclusive genres.

Btw make sure to take pictures of your PC with your name on it with them 2 1080's your meant to be buying ill be waiting...

Whoa, reel it in, Zero. The point I was making is that as far as third person gaming is concerned (and not First person controls set behind the player character), the best of those exclusives are on console. inFAMOUS, Ratchet, Mario... Yes, some like the Witcher are available on PC. But the number of exclusive games like that on PC is practically zero (or at least I haven't been able to find many).

 

And it wasn't a jab, it was an observation. If you like FPS a ton, but you are console exclusive... You probably made bad decisions. And no, Sony first parties won't be heading to PC, nor will many of its exclusives. It's mostly XB1 that's losing exclusives due to MS wanting to support Windows as a gaming platform.

 

And I wouldn't say PC has exclusive genres... Just genres console gamers aren't typically interested in. Otherwise they'd have bought a PC for them already.

 

And nah, a friend talked me out of the 1080's. I'll grab a 1070, then another later to SLI. That should be enough to run 45FPS on 4K.

The PC might as well have excelusive Genre's.

Turn Based Strategy? Pretty much non-existent on Console.
Real Time Strategy? Pretty much non-existent on Console.
FPS Moba? Other than Overwatch and Battleborn, pretty much non-existent on Console.
MMO? Pretty much Non-existent on Console.

But you know... Cats.

There are things the mouse is simply better suited for.

Super_Boom said:
Ruler said:

you are derailing the thread, this thread was always about PC gaming vs Console Gaming/which is the better eco system and comparing the two

The OP is giving his opinion on why he enjoys being a PC gamer. You can share your opinion as well...as you've already done, but turning this into yet another PC vs. console thread is very clearly not what the OP intended.

I know we don't have a prominent PC community here in comparision to consoles, but that doesn't excuse this attitude. Knock it off...contribute to the thread constructively or not at all.

The reason for the lack of a Prominent PC community on this forum is mostly due to the environment, it can be pretty toxic at times.

Conina said:
SvennoJ said:

I was a high end PC gamer during the best times to have a PC, late 80's to early noughties. 

I wouldn't call that the best time for PC gaming. In the late '80s most PC games still had EGA graphics with bad scrolling and bad Adlib sound (or even worse: PC speaker sound)... a much cheaper Amiga made more sense for gaming back then.

In the early '90s PC gaming improved a lot with more and more games supporting 256-color-VGA (many VGA-cards still had problems with 2d-scrolling) + Soundblaster/Roland soundcards, but the showcases were still rare (Wing Commander 1 + 2, Ultima 6 + 7, Civilization, Wolfenstein 3D, Monkey Island 2, Indy 4, Links 386).

IMHO the "golden age of PC gaming" began in 1993, when games could be improved in many different ways):

  • SVGA-resolution (640x480 instead of 320x200), a big improvement for "slow" games, f.e. Sim City 2000, Railroad Tycoon Deluxe, Civilization 2, Pirates! Gold, Theme Park, King's Quest 6, Leisure Suit Larry 6
  • 3D-engines, which opened the doors for new genres like FPS (Doom, Duke Nukem, Dark Forces...) and new experiences like "Magic Carpet" or changed other genres forever (Indy Car Racing, Strike Commander, Privateer, X-Wing/TIE Fighter, System Shock)
  • full voice tracks thanks to CD-ROMs, f.e. the "talkie versions" of Indy 4, Day of the Tentacle, Sam & Max, King's Quest 6, Space Quest 5, Gabriel Knight
  • music tracks in CD-quality, f.e. the CD-version of Loom
  • huge intros and cut scenes, or even FMV-games thanks to CD-ROM, f.e. Wing Commander 3, Myst, The 7th Guest, Under a Killing Moon
  • new experiences thanks to CD-ROM, f.e. Rebel Assault + MegaRace, which used augmented video streaming
  • networked multiplayer, f.e. Doom 1 + 2, Duke Nukem 3D, Command & Conquer, Diablo
  • much better sound quality thanks to 16-bit-sound cards and sample-based synthesis

1995 - 1996 was another important milestone for PC gaming:

  • networked multiplayer got more popular and easier to set up, f. e. Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, Command & Conquer, Diablo, Need for Speed...
  • much easier game setups thanks to Windows 95 and DirectX (no more manual sound settings, game controller calibrations, SVGA-problems and tinkering with config.sys and autoexec.bat)
  • more games using higher resolutions and the first 3D accelerators

Aureal A3D was the bomb, probably the pinnicle in 3D audio processing on ANY platform, it could be argued we went backwards since then.

Plus 3dfx Glide was almost a generation ahead of the consoles at the time and really showed what the PC could do when games were built it's way.

So it's mid 90's to early 2000's for me. :P Also was a time where developers were willing to experiment and combine genre's and try new things. (Sacrifice, Battlezone, Dungeon Keeper, Black and White, Evolva, Giants: Citizen Kabuto etc'.)



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It's a great time, and year, to be pretty much every kind of gamer, except a Nintendo fan.



the_dark_lewd said:
It's a great time, and year, to be pretty much every kind of gamer, except a Nintendo fan.

In all Honesty their handhelds havn't dissapointed, but on a home console front, yes, its quite the opponsite of what the PC is experiencing, less third party titles and less first party content, altough some games still highlight Nintendo's quality to just make "fun" games

Thanks to everyone by the way sharing your visions, opinions and the discussions on my topic, its a blast to read! I'm also thrilled many share my opinion that the PC game market is on a high, not taking anything away from console owners who also get to experience (most) of those games, among many others!

Today I played Total War the entire day and its just amazing to see the sales on that as a PC exclusive, who knows now that Sega owns Atlus we might even see Persona and other games from Atlus on the PC, after danganronpa and final fantasy, nothing would suprise me! :)




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malistix1985 said:

Today I played Total War the entire day and its just amazing to see the sales on that as a PC exclusive, who knows now that Sega owns Atlus we might even see Persona and other games from Atlus on the PC, after danganronpa and final fantasy, nothing would suprise me! :)

Indeed, there's a lot of previously exclusive games coming to PC, and that makes me really happy.

Recently, "htol#niq The Firefly Diary", a japanese title that was exclusive for PS Vita arrived on Steam. And I heard that even Zero Escape is coming too.



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iNathan said:
It's a great time to be a gamer pc Xbox or Playstation.

Nintendo? Not so much, barely 3rd party support meh

You should know that you dont buy Nintendo consoels for 3rd party games.



Azuren said:

What? No, I'm talking about the games themselves. Things that might work and work well on PC, but wouldn't translate well to console. Like the entire RTS genre.  

Fair doos, me reading it wrongly.



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It is good if PC is doing well, competiton is good and drives the industry. I personally play consoles exclusively, because I dont want to spend time on updating drivers and what knot.



Pemalite said:

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First of all, be careful who you mislabel Civ as an RTS in front of. It's apparently a reportable offense. 

 

And while I agree they are pretty much nonexistent on console... There are still a few on there. So it's not really exclusive ;P



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BasilZero said:
the_dark_lewd said:
It's a great time, and year, to be pretty much every kind of gamer, except a Nintendo ONLY fan.

Fixed.

 

As for me I'm excited for future titles that are coming out/will come out

 

-Zelda for WiiU
-Pokemon Sun/Moon
-Paper Mario Color Splash (yes I'm excited for it)
-Dragon Quest 7
-Dragon Quest 8
-Kirby Planet Robobot
-Dragon Quest 11

and I'm sure there's other multiplat titles and other exclusive titles (like Monster Hunter) that are coming out for WiiU and 3DS (as for me I'm getting them on other platforms like Mighty No. 9 for an example :p)

Needless to say I agree. It's just that none of those seem particularly close. Maybe DQ7 will be. And Kirby. But the rest are still unknown.