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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - PS4Neo + XBScorpio ... Is NX Screwed?

It won't be easy for nx to succeed, but in a way ps4neo and bscorpio might have even harder time as they seem to be more rushed (if coming 2017). Also nintendo will in many ways benefit from being the odd one and I think that it cannot fail as baddly as the wii u if it isn't named wii i, wii o, wii add on or something else really stupid :P

Zelda nx should help too!



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Nintendo will always have to differentiate itself from the competition. In a symmetric, head to head battle over market share Nintendo can only lose because in this case the company (or companies) with the bigger financial resources almost always wins.

What did all those people think who said "NX is going to be successful because it will be a powerful Nintendo console"? Nintendo has never had success by outrunning their competition technology-wise. It makes you wonder where people have been during the N64 and Gamecube era. Back in the 90's it was Sony who copied (and improved!) upon Nintendo's sustaining innovations. Today it's both Sony and Microsoft who will always One-Up them in a direct, head to head battle. The hope that NX would succeed because of power was always an illusion.



Louie said:
Nintendo will always have to differentiate itself from the competition. In a symmetric, head to head battle over market share Nintendo can only lose because in this case the company (or companies) with the bigger financial resources almost always wins.

What did all those people think who said "NX is going to be successful because it will be a powerful Nintendo console"? Nintendo has never had success by outrunning their competition technology-wise. It makes you wonder where people have been during the N64 and Gamecube era. Back in the 90's it was Sony who copied (and improved!) upon Nintendo's sustaining innovations. Today it's both Sony and Microsoft who will always One-Up them in a direct, head to head battle. The hope that NX would succeed because of power was always an illusion.

Nintendo has a huge amount of cash just laying around.

If they wanted to do battle with Playstation & Xbox, they could.

They could look the best of what playstation&xbox has that they dont, and impliment it in their systems and aim for equal power, and work on getting 3rd party on board. I think they could win a battle like that. I dont think they need a gimmick, just equal features to the others, and adaquate hardware. Their games will do the rest.



JRPGfan said:
Louie said:
Nintendo will always have to differentiate itself from the competition. In a symmetric, head to head battle over market share Nintendo can only lose because in this case the company (or companies) with the bigger financial resources almost always wins.

What did all those people think who said "NX is going to be successful because it will be a powerful Nintendo console"? Nintendo has never had success by outrunning their competition technology-wise. It makes you wonder where people have been during the N64 and Gamecube era. Back in the 90's it was Sony who copied (and improved!) upon Nintendo's sustaining innovations. Today it's both Sony and Microsoft who will always One-Up them in a direct, head to head battle. The hope that NX would succeed because of power was always an illusion.

Nintendo has a huge amount of cash just laying around.

If they wanted to do battle with Playstation & Xbox, they could.

They could look the best of what playstation&xbox has that they dont, and impliment it in their systems and aim for equal power, and work on getting 3rd party on board. I think they could win a battle like that. I dont think they need a gimmick, just equal features to the others, and adaquate hardware. Their games will do the rest.

Man, no they couldn't. :p  Nintendo does not have the financial resources to outcompete Sony and Microsoft, because those two are willing (and in the case of Microsoft financially capable) of subsidizing their console businesses with billions of dollars if they choose to do so. I'm not saying Sony and Microsoft are "better" companies, just bigger ones. 

Sure, Nintendo has quite some cash. But they can't lose money for three consecutive years and they don't have the overall resources to compete directly with Sony and Microsoft. For instance, they don't have the in-house knowledge and manpower to compete with them when it comes to online infrastructure and feature parity of their consoles. But that's just one example. Nintendo's profits have plummeted bady over the last 5 years and they had to scale back their business already (they layed off staff in Europe , scaled back their presence at events like e3 and generally had a very "safe" software output for the last few years).



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They always are.



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I always thought NX was going to be out way too early. It should be out in 2018 at the very earliest.



Louie said:
JRPGfan said:

Nintendo has a huge amount of cash just laying around.

If they wanted to do battle with Playstation & Xbox, they could.

They could look the best of what playstation&xbox has that they dont, and impliment it in their systems and aim for equal power, and work on getting 3rd party on board. I think they could win a battle like that. I dont think they need a gimmick, just equal features to the others, and adaquate hardware. Their games will do the rest.

Man, no they couldn't. :p  Nintendo does not have the financial resources to outcompete Sony and Microsoft, because those two are willing (and in the case of Microsoft financially capable) of subsidizing their console businesses with billions of dollars if they choose to do so. I'm not saying Sony and Microsoft are "better" companies, just bigger ones. 

Sure, Nintendo has quite some cash. But they can't lose money for three consecutive years and they don't have the overall resources to compete directly with Sony and Microsoft. For instance, they don't have the in-house knowledge and manpower to compete with them when it comes to online infrastructure and feature parity of their consoles. But that's just one example. Nintendo's profits have plummeted bady over the last 5 years and they had to scale back their business already (they layed off staff in Europe , scaled back their presence at events like e3 and generally had a very "safe" software output for the last few years).

MS started head to head with Sony this gen and have tons more money than bankrupt Sony yet can only sale 1/2 of the competitor... no company throws money around for the sake of it.



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Magnus said:
I always thought NX was going to be out way too early. It should be out in 2018 at the very earliest.

They see me trolling....

 

Seriously with the year nintendo has planned for the wii U in 2016.... NX should have been out this year.

2018? at the rate the wii u is going, cant take that seriously.

 

Best case for Nintendo? was to have their NX launch before the PS4 Neo & XB1 Scorpio.

Now it wont have any time on top!

Even the Wii U launched near the end of the PS3 & XB360 life time, and had abit of time as the topdog.



I don't know how successful the new iterations of the playstation and Xbox will be, but I see them appealing to current console users a lot more than Nintendo's system based purely on reputation.

Most people I know will take a wait and see approach to Nintendo because of the Wii U and its handling



DonFerrari said:

MS started head to head with Sony this gen and have tons more money than bankrupt Sony yet can only sale 1/2 of the competitor... no company throws money around for the sake of it.

That's exactly the point. Microsoft is not a hardware manufcaturer at heart, they are a software company. They bought their way into the market by losing up to $1bn a year for more than half a decade with their Xbox business. If anything this proves my point: Even a software company can get into the hardware business by pumping lots of money into it. That's exactly what Microsoft did with the original Xbox and Xbox360. But with their current Management they are now forced to turn a profit. (I was wrong saying Microsoft was willing to put more money into it, though. You are absolutely right: Sony would take more of a financial hit).

My point is: Sony and Microsoft are bigger companies with bigger cash reserves, way higher yearly revenues and a bigger workforce than Nintendo. Whenever Nintendo releases a sustaining innovation (i.e. a faster console, a more hardcore controller, etc.) Sony and Microsoft can outcompete them and make something even faster, more connected, more hardcore. That's why Nintendo modeled the Wii as a disruptive innovation instead of a sustaining innovation: Disruptive innovations make it very hard for established companies to react to them (in the case of the Wii the backlash from the hardcore gamers was so strong Sony and Microsoft didn't dare releasing their own motion controller for years, and even then made them an accessory. Also, Microsoft failed at making Kinect a central part of Xbox despite trying to position it as a hardcore gamer device.)