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Soundwave on 28 May 2016
Swordmasterman said:
Soundwave said:

I personally think you will eventually see better than this, ultimately though I think what will happen is even with the few 3rd party games the NX gets, it will get the worst looking/performing versions and it will lead to the predictable Nintendo-fan-to-third-party bitching contest of "why are we getting the worst ports, I'm not buying this" which then leads to developer X/Y/Z concluding their games can't sell on NX, rinse, wash, repeat. 

Scorpio is a legit next-gen console too IMO, unless you don't think the XBox One is a generational leap above the XB360. I think MS will want better looking games, why wouldn't they, it will be an advantage for them over Sony. 

Generation ins't about Power Generation is about games and if the previous consoles must have the same games as the new consoles so this isn't a new generation, with this Thinking the Alienware Ultimate Edition is of what generation ? the 15th ?.

Majority of the people will purchase the normal versions or the Slim Versions because will be the cheapest ones and will play all the games the other versions will have, if the NX is on par with the PS4 and Xbox One the developers would rather make NX versions(Where they can get much more potential sales) than enchanting the PS4 and Xbox One's versions (where the owners of Neo and Scorpion would be able to play the first Model's Version).

Only because a game look prettier than the other version this does not means that people who were not interested in the game will purchase it, It will only please who purchased the New version of the consoles and already was interested in the games.

Doubt many devs are going to prioritize a NX version, especially if it has a non-x86 layout. 

NX is going to be the odd one out here, not the PS4 Neo or XB Scorpio, certainly with Western developers. 

I think Nintendo is probably a little surprised by Neo and Scorpio too, perhaps they were thinking Sony/MS would be content with PS4/XB1 for several more years. 



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NoirSon on 28 May 2016

Depends on what Nintendo is bringing to the party. If it is just a new underpowered console (special control function or not) that developers will be able to ignore by saying they can't port it over because it is too weak, then yeah Nintendo is in bad shape.

If it is a hybrid device that will appeal to the Japanese handheld market and act as a successor to the 3DS with the ability to play games on the big screen they will be fine.

If it is something completely new and revolutionary, they will be fine.


Time will tell, I just hope no matter what, they are smarter with the launch titles and those they partner with. Although the only way I see Nintendo regaining stable third party support with Western developers is if the NX has the ability to play games from the Steam market out the gate or if it is bastard Windows 10 based love system of Microsoft and Nintendo teaming up to try to win the gaming market in both regions from Sony's resurgence with the PS4.



Wyrdness on 28 May 2016
Soundwave said:

I don't really buy this, if you can see a difference between PS4 and XB1 ports (ie: if you can notice a difference between 1080P + 60 fps and 900P + 30 fps) you're definitely going to notice differences between a PS4 Neo and especially with an XB2. 

All it takes is one developer looking for an edge for their games/looking to get more attention (say Battlefield vs Call of Duty) to push the envelope and then the bar will be raised and other developers will have to follow suit. 

This also sounds a lot like the rationalization used for the Wii (don't worry! Iwata said the graphics will make you say "wow!", Wii games will be just like 360/PS3 games only in SD resolution vs. HD resolution, no big deal!) and Wii U (don't worry it'll be able to handle all the PS4/XB1 games, differences will be minor because devs can't afford to make higher end games!). 

Also I don't think MS really even agrees with this "parity" stuff ... this generation has not gone great for them and I don't think they're attached to it which is why they are making what looks like a full blown new console. XB2 (6 TF) vs. XB1 (1.2 TF) is a 5x leap, that's the same as the XB360 to XB1, there's no way there's not going to be substantial differences here as time goes on. 

Developers already utilize more power on their PC versions of games vs. PS4/XB1 as is. 

Are you playing dumb to troll mate, let me repeat the point to you, no game is going to use the extra power, why? Because the games have to run first and foremost on the current models, PC is an open platform to even bring them up is laughable, if you think developers will put that much more features into a game you're fooling yourself you know why? Because then it wouldn't run on the current models a developer would have to put out two versions of a PS4 game like they're separate platforms or simply do what already happens on the 3DS and just use the lowest target specs.

Look at the N3DS, hardly any game uses the new specs because the majority of users have the older model, one game trying to push the envelope like what Xenoblade did on N3DS won't make developers ignore the whole userbase sorry but you're dreaming there, Sony I recall released a statement saying no game will be exclusive to the new specs.

 

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Mr.GameCrazy on 28 May 2016
Wyrdness said:
Soundwave said:

I don't really buy this, if you can see a difference between PS4 and XB1 ports (ie: if you can notice a difference between 1080P + 60 fps and 900P + 30 fps) you're definitely going to notice differences between a PS4 Neo and especially with an XB2. 

All it takes is one developer looking for an edge for their games/looking to get more attention (say Battlefield vs Call of Duty) to push the envelope and then the bar will be raised and other developers will have to follow suit. 

This also sounds a lot like the rationalization used for the Wii (don't worry! Iwata said the graphics will make you say "wow!", Wii games will be just like 360/PS3 games only in SD resolution vs. HD resolution, no big deal!) and Wii U (don't worry it'll be able to handle all the PS4/XB1 games, differences will be minor because devs can't afford to make higher end games!). 

Also I don't think MS really even agrees with this "parity" stuff ... this generation has not gone great for them and I don't think they're attached to it which is why they are making what looks like a full blown new console. XB2 (6 TF) vs. XB1 (1.2 TF) is a 5x leap, that's the same as the XB360 to XB1, there's no way there's not going to be substantial differences here as time goes on. 

Developers already utilize more power on their PC versions of games vs. PS4/XB1 as is. 

Are you playing dumb to troll mate, let me repeat the point to you, no game is going to use the extra power, why? Because the games have to run first and foremost on the current models, PC is an open platform to even bring them up is laughable, if you think developers will put that much more features into a game you're fooling yourself you know why? Because then it wouldn't run on the current models a developer would have to put out two versions of a PS4 game like they're separate platforms or simply do what already happens on the 3DS and just use the lowest target specs.

Look at the N3DS, hardly any game uses the new specs because the majority of users have the older model, one game trying to push the envelope like what Xenoblade did on N3DS won't make developers ignore the whole userbase sorry but you're dreaming there, Sony I recall released a statement saying no game will be exclusive to the new specs.

Too bad Soundwave won't be able to respond to you for a while due to getting a temp ban for flaming.

 

To answer Soundwave's question in the OP, I can't really say yet as we have no idea with the NX is yet.



g911turbo on 28 May 2016
Soundwave said:
Swordmasterman said:
Why people are treating Xbox Scorpion, and PS4 Neo, as new Gen consoles ? they will just be the same consoles but more powerful, this isn't a new Gen, because all PS4 Neo, and Xbox Scorpion's games will have to run on previous consoles.

6 TFLOP vs. 1.2 TFLOP is basically pretty much a new generation device, it may have backwards compatibility but that's basically bordering on a new generation, that's a massive hardware leap. 

XBox 360 (250 GFLOPS) to XBox One (1.2 TF) is a 5x performance leap, XB1 (1.2 TF) to XB Scorpio (6 TF) is pretty much the same leap. 

Even the PS4Neo surprised me, 4 TFLOP console for $299 this year is pretty insane. 

WTF man.  I thought you used to be a little more level headed but now are you really starting to ride that rumor unicorn off into the sunset.  First NEO was 399, now its 299?  PS4 is still more than that.

 

Why would they cut the price of PS4 further when sales are still up, doing well, etc?  Do you people WANT Sony to fail???  NOW is the time for sony to actually make some good money off ps4, not simply erode profit margines to oblivion for the sake of internet fans...

 

I really think we need to wait for some announcements to be made before these discussions get out of hand.  So many rumors being treated as fact, its not even funny.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 28 May 2016

The XBox One and PS4 are already established. The NX is going to have trouble with amassing a large crowd just by virtue of that issue. If they are lacking third party welcome to Wii U part 2.



Kuksenkov on 28 May 2016

I don't know, I won't buy any of those anytime soon anyway.

I do hope Nintendo can turn it around, even so after all the idiotic decisions they've made recently, the fire has been lit under that corporate grey butt and it will burn them if they allow it to remain there.



DonFerrari on 28 May 2016

what I think is funny is people saying PS4Neo/XboxScorpio that are upgraded version of the console and won't take out resources from current consoles will completely bomb and is a mobile makert mentality while they have been asking for NX to be released since 2015 and saw no problem with a 2 years gap for a completely new system, while 3 years for a intermediate model is an issue.



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Wyrdness on 28 May 2016
Mr.GameCrazy said:

Too bad Soundwave won't be able to respond to you for a while due to getting a temp ban for flaming.

 

To answer Soundwave's question in the OP, I can't really say yet as we have no idea with the NX is yet.

Tbh I'd like to actually see the post where he supposidely flamed as I've come across cases where a warning is sent over a few select words rather than what is actually fully said in a comment.



Mr.GameCrazy on 28 May 2016
Wyrdness said:
Mr.GameCrazy said:

Too bad Soundwave won't be able to respond to you for a while due to getting a temp ban for flaming.

 

To answer Soundwave's question in the OP, I can't really say yet as we have no idea with the NX is yet.

Tbh I'd like to actually see the post where he supposidely flamed as I've come across cases where a warning is sent over a few select words rather than what is actually fully said in a comment.

Here's the post: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=7916796