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Goatseye said:

Gamers on internet have a bias against MP only games. Although a minority, they're a good size of forum dwellers.

Some of the justification are that:

 

  1.   there's not enough content to justify a $60 tag, 
  2.   there is no story or some form of campaign, 
  3.   they're mostly aimed at dudebros
  4.   etc,...
Give me some argument for and against these type of games. And if you can find arguments against single player only games, drop it here.

 

Depends on the game. I'd be bummed if a game like Mario Kart was only multiplayer, and I'd be bummed if a game like halo was only single player. It truly depends on whether a multiplayer/single player option is going to improve the game and be a nice addition



 

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Lol. Because paying $80+ for a game like Evolve is bull shit.

I don't understand why single player campaigns get so much flak nowadays.



JWeinCom said:
The main thing I dislike about them (aside from not being a fan of online multiplayer generally) is that the game is completely at the whim of the community and the developers. If a community ditches the game or decides that they just want to spend their time doing bizarre things (see Smash Bros Brawl taunt parties), then the game becomes suddenly sucky.

My favorite game is Mega Man 2. Unless my NES breaks, my Wii breaks, my DS breaks, my PS2 breaks, all roms are scrubbed from the internet, and all physical replacements are destroyed, I'll always be able to experience that game again. Not sure if I'll be able to play splatoon in 25 years in a meaningful way.

To be fair, while it's not expansive I actually found Splatoon's single player campaign to be a lot of fun.

But yes, I totally agree with this sentiment. It bothers me to some degree, as a person who is constantly going back multiple generations to my favorite games, that some multiplayer games have no single player (or offline) component (the biggest gripe I've ever had with a Blizzard product was their decision to not allow offline PC playing of Diablo III, for instance). There's just something frustrating about not being able to revisit these titles one day, though given every game released for the PS4 and Xbox1 (to a lesser extent the Wii U as well) at this point will not function in the future unless you have the games downloaded and patched on either the internal or an external hard drive (thus why I hope Sony gets with the program like Microsoft and Nintendo and allows full use of external hard drives to store game data*), it might soon be a moot issue.

I definitely feel the same, then, but I suspect the sheer size of this games has rendered such a future borderline unavoidable. The Nx MIGHT buck the trend via memory cards, but that's about the best one can hope for with physical media going forward. If Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo decide to drop support (and lord knows Nintendo likes to do that almost immediately), your collection of games for the Wii U/PS4/Xbox1 become little more than decoration pieces.

 

*For those curious about how it currently works on the PS4, you CAN do a backup from one hard drive to another and replace it, but you cannot utilize external hard drives to store game data that can be retrieved and used at will, instead only using it for movie and audio files. I'm anxiously awaiting them adopting Microsoft and Nintendo's approach, where any hard drive you plug in is instantly reformatted and can be utilized to save game data and play games. As someone who is constantly juggling which game I'll delete next everytime I buy a new PS4 game, I'd really like to be allowed to start making proper use of external hard drives. :p



Johnw1104 said:
JWeinCom said:
The main thing I dislike about them (aside from not being a fan of online multiplayer generally) is that the game is completely at the whim of the community and the developers. If a community ditches the game or decides that they just want to spend their time doing bizarre things (see Smash Bros Brawl taunt parties), then the game becomes suddenly sucky.

My favorite game is Mega Man 2. Unless my NES breaks, my Wii breaks, my DS breaks, my PS2 breaks, all roms are scrubbed from the internet, and all physical replacements are destroyed, I'll always be able to experience that game again. Not sure if I'll be able to play splatoon in 25 years in a meaningful way.

To be fair, while it's not expansive I actually found Splatoon's single player campaign to be a lot of fun.

But yes, I totally agree with this sentiment. It bothers me to some degree, as a person who is constantly going back multiple generations to my favorite games, that some multiplayer games have no single player (or offline) component (the biggest gripe I've ever had with a Blizzard product was their decision to not allow offline PC playing of Diablo III, for instance). There's just something frustrating about not being able to revisit these titles one day, though given every game released for the PS4 and Xbox1 (to a lesser extent the Wii U as well) at this point will not function in the future unless you have the games downloaded and patched on either the internal or an external hard drive (thus why I hope Sony gets with the program like Microsoft and Nintendo and allows full use of external hard drives to store game data), it might soon be a moot issue.

I definitely feel the same, then, but I suspect the sheer size of this games has rendered such a future borderline unavoidable. The Nx MIGHT buck the trend via memory cards, but that's about the best one can hope for with physical media going forward. If Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo decide to drop support (and lord knows Nintendo likes to do that almost immediately), your collection of games for the Wii U/PS4/Xbox1 become little more than decoration pieces.

Dude, imagine you bought a book.....and then 5 years from now when the publisher no longer sells the book it SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUSTS.

DVDs / Blu-Rays don't stop working, VHSs don't stop working, books don't stop working, CDs don't stop working...so why should we tolerate this with video games?

It's so fucking weird out of principle. Imagine how many millions of books we would have lost the instant companies went out of business. Libraries wouldn't exist! Books from the 1900s and earlier wouldn't exist! Our cultural heritage would just...vanish.



I'd rather pay for a $60 - $80 story based game that I will remember instead of a MP based game that feels like a different skin of FPS/ TPS. I enjoyed both Destiny & TitanFall but they got boring quickly. Modern Warfare 2 was the last MP game where I felt engaged to play over more than a couple weeks. And it had a great campaign.



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cause it makes us realize that we actually don't have any friends in real life... every freaking time we start up the game...

shout out to my online only buddies who are probably fat old men playing the game in their underwear in the basement of their mothers



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

-because these games ussually lack content in comparison to singleplayer games who also have a multiplayer mode

- you are dependant on other people to have fun online, a singleplayer game can deliver you the same at any time

- You are dependant on your internet connection, if it goes offline for some hours there is no gaming. And if you have bad internet you will experience lag etc. Or what is if the servers from the game are offline for mantainance?

- every online mode feels kinda samey at some point, espacialley ego shooters. What are the goals you are asking yourself after playing a lot of MP and being first in Rank for a match?

- if the servers go offline forever the 60$ you paid for are gone, that copy of the MP only game you bought for your system becomes useless. With singleplayer games you always will be able to enjoy them even 20 years from now.
And it doesnt have necessarily the servers to be closed down, it can also happen that no one will play this MP only game at some point.

- and i think this whole competive culture shows the worst face of gaming to other people, you see people raging all the time over a fricking game. And some people even go out killing other people dueto these MP games who were always linked to these cases.

So this my general disrespct for MP and espacially MP only games





Aquamarine said:
Johnw1104 said:

To be fair, while it's not expansive I actually found Splatoon's single player campaign to be a lot of fun.

But yes, I totally agree with this sentiment. It bothers me to some degree, as a person who is constantly going back multiple generations to my favorite games, that some multiplayer games have no single player (or offline) component (the biggest gripe I've ever had with a Blizzard product was their decision to not allow offline PC playing of Diablo III, for instance). There's just something frustrating about not being able to revisit these titles one day, though given every game released for the PS4 and Xbox1 (to a lesser extent the Wii U as well) at this point will not function in the future unless you have the games downloaded and patched on either the internal or an external hard drive (thus why I hope Sony gets with the program like Microsoft and Nintendo and allows full use of external hard drives to store game data), it might soon be a moot issue.

I definitely feel the same, then, but I suspect the sheer size of this games has rendered such a future borderline unavoidable. The Nx MIGHT buck the trend via memory cards, but that's about the best one can hope for with physical media going forward. If Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo decide to drop support (and lord knows Nintendo likes to do that almost immediately), your collection of games for the Wii U/PS4/Xbox1 become little more than decoration pieces.

Dude, imagine you bought a book.....and then 5 years from now when the publisher goes broke the book SPONTANEOUSLY COMBUSTS.

DVDs don't stop working, VHSs don't stop working, books don't stop working, CDs don't stop working...so why should we tolerate this with video games?

It's so fucking weird out of principle. Imagine how many millions of books we would have lost the instant companies went out of business.

Like I said in my post, I agree COMPLETELY with the sentiment. I'm the kind of person who still has healthy libraries for probably around a dozen consoles... let's see... Atari VCS, Nes, Snes, Genesis, N64, PS1/2/3/4, GC, DC, XboxOG/360, Wii/Wii U... I absolutely love and am obsessed with physical media lol, it's one of my favorite "hobbies" I suppose to collect for them.

Unfortunately, games have grown so large and highspeed internet so abundant that it has become easier to simply use the discs as little more than cd keys that enable the download of the actual game, meaning what you buy physically in the store is little more than permission to download. From what I understand the Wii U actually DOES usually come with a completed game, but it's a flawed completed game and I'm not 100% sure that they actually stuck to that (with games like Xeno X I doubt they did).

This basically means that going forward we're 100% dependent on continued support to keep them on our consoles unless we save them onto hard drives. I'd like for this trend to change as much as you, but the unfortunate truth is that not enough people care for it to change, and as a PC gamer as well I can tell you that, as far as PC games are concerned, few people even bother with physical media anymore. The Steam Library has replaced the CD rack, and that will probably (and sadly) soon be the future for consoles as well.

The only real hope I have is for one last generation of true phsyical media games via the Nintendo Nx and handheld. It would be a lot of fun if the memory card rumors are true and we get one last hurrah for physical media, but in all reality the medium is in its last death throes at the moment. :(

 

...then again, maybe I'm totally wrong and memory cards will catch on. The demise of physical books, after all, was predicted long ago, and they're doing just fine. Of course, people like reading paper, whereas I don't believe they really notice HOW the game appears on their TV screen.

Nah, physical media is coming back. I'll just keep telling myself that! :)



As others have stated:
- Squandered opportunity for story / campaign.
- Once servers go, it's gone.
- People are shitlords and will cheese & be awful.
- Devs might wreck initial balance, probably with premium content.
- Network down, better have something else to play.



MP only gets get so much undue hate. We've had SP only games for a very long time, whats so wrong with an MP only game? Not every game needs to be for everyone.

We've had countless SP or SP/MP Star Wars games, but the minute one comes out thats MP only people lose their freaking minds



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