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Chazore said:
archer9234 said:

Yeah. Luckly that's one reason why I got Overwatch. It has bot modes.

It's rare to see bots in any MP games these days which was why I was happy to see them in games like TF2, Titanfall, Overwatch, Heroes of the storm etc. 

Remember how Titanfall got bashed for having bots in it? Respawn even crafted a mode without bots due to so many voices that weren't even gonna give the game a chance.



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Goatseye said:

Remember how Titanfall got bashed for having bots in it? Respawn even crafted a mode without bots due to so many voices that weren't even gonna give the game a chance.

I will never understand why people hate AI, I've grown up with it since I was a kid and while it still isn't all that smart, it's better than having some kid mouth me off while tea bagging me and using the tired old same strats each time, at least bots tend to use more than a few strats.

I just hope the new one still has bots and the MP isn't completely fucked over to appease the crwod who loathe MP and were never there for the first game. I'll be honest here though, I hate 4x strat games and largely prefer C&C real time base building live RTS games, I won't however demand that Civ VI adhere to my demands and turn into a C&C game, I'd rather just ask for the studio to possibly make a new IP that is like C&C or ask/wait for some other studio to make a game like C&C, that way Civ fans still get their Civ game that isn't tampered with and I'll maybe get a new IP to go with.

I wish I had remembered the link to a vid I watched about 2 months ago where there was talk of AI in Arena games like Quake and UT and how there are a lack of them around today, if I ever find it I'll be sure to toss it in here sometime or maybe a thread on multiplayer AI since this forum is buzzing with recent AI talk. 

 

Edit: I found the vid, it was from Super Bunnyhop:



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Chazore said:
Johnw1104 said:
As Teeqoz said, it's just a disappointing trend that is making more and more developers comfortable with not putting in the effort to provide a single player experience.

Really, it never bothers me when some new franchise is exclusively multiplayer... the only time I'm bothered is when it's a new installment in a franchise that I used to love to play single player. Easily the most obvious recent example for me is Battlefront, which was just terribly disappointing and, unsurprisingly, grew old within a couple days.

Otherwise, the trend goes hand in hand with the decline in quality coop campaigns. It seems like developers are realizing features that were once a given in games can today be skipped while still selling just fine.

I could say the same for those that put loads if not tons of effort into their SP experiences and then decide to just shove it all off the table when it coems to MP, especially when I look at games like DOOM with it's MP being geared towards console players and not PC gamers as well, that also happens to include snapmap which had potential but was very limited in what it could do due to being tied to what current gen could do and in the end it becomes a waste due to their focus shift.

Not every game needs SP injected into their games as much though let alone MP, they work both ways and when you try to craft two then you better be good at crafting those two aspects of your game, if not then just foxcus on one side and don't bother with the other, I'd rather have a great DOOM campaign with no bad MP and no limtied snap map and instead get SP mod support than what we have now. I'd rather have a fully functional and well polished Titanfall MP than it being hacked to pieces to appeal to  crowd that never bothered with the first one unless it came with a bigger SP aspect.

I wish arena shooters would come back in a massive way but they certainly do not need to have SP forced into them in order to become popular again or sell well.

Yeah I agree it depends on the game. For instance, my buddy and I were crazy disappointed that the most recent Far Cry was not going to be coop, local or online. We had a ton of fun playing Far Cry 4 together and were trying to find some game akin to that which features multiplayer and, as I said, while it's a separate issue coop campaigns seem to be dealing with the same decline that single player campaigns themselves are lol

It just seems like the things I like most are the things that are less common, but I have a very, very strong suspicion that's just my biases shining through. Really though, for the life of us we can't find a quality coop campaign on the PS4 to play together right now and it's very frustrating. The only other one we had hope for (No Man's Sky) is not only rumored to be delayed again, but looks increasingly boring and stated there's no way to actually meet up with friends in the game right now.

Soooo the search goes on.



NiKKoM said:
cause it makes us realize that we actually don't have any friends in real life... every freaking time we start up the game...

shout out to my online only buddies who are probably fat old men playing the game in their underwear in the basement of their mothers

Ha Ha , the jokes on you , I don't wear underwear.



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I have nothing against MP only games , but what I don't like seeing games having their SP cut back on or removed in favour of the MP.



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Johnw1104 said:

Yeah I agree it depends on the game. For instance, my buddy and I were crazy disappointed that the most recent Far Cry was not going to be coop, local or online. We had a ton of fun playing Far Cry 4 together and were trying to find some game akin to that which features multiplayer and, as I said, while it's a separate issue coop campaigns seem to be dealing with the same decline that single player campaigns themselves are lol

It just seems like the things I like most are the things that are less common, but I have a very, very strong suspicion that's just my biases shining through. Really though, for the life of us we can't find a quality coop campaign on the PS4 to play together right now and it's very frustrating. The only other one we had hope for (No Man's Sky) is not only rumored to be delayed again, but looks increasingly boring and stated there's no way to actually meet up with friends in the game right now.

Soooo the search goes on.

To be honest we have plenty of SP and MP experiences, it's the games that have heavy focus on actual co-op that aren't entirely all there, though again we'd have to make and force some narritive and mechanics to make the game appear more co-op friendly than say optional which most games tend to roll with.

I find quality co-op with recent titles I've played like Ark, that game has PvE servers and PvP, I chose the option to just roll with hosting my own map on my PC so me and a mate could build in peace because in that game, despite being on a PvE server, other players can still drag your sleeping logged out corpse towards hostile dinos or drown you to get your stuff, with it being just you and a friend there really isn't much to worry about. Same with How to Survive 2, I;ve been playing that with the same friend co-op wise with setting up our own camp, when I'm logged out he can still contribute to it while I'm away at work and vice versa, so the cop-op experience still goes on despite me not being there with him and I think that's neat. 

I would suggest (not trying to be PCMR in any way here, just my suggestion) giving Starbound a try when it reaches 1.0 (launch) as they will be adding Steam friend invite support, with the current option of you being able to host your own server or join one via it's IP address (also I'll be making a thread on Starbound once it reaches 1.0 for anyone who wants it's info as well as some give away copies). That game will at some point launch on X1 from what I gathered a month or two ago, but the game itself will definitely have a campaign and quests along with it working a lot like NMS but being akin to Terraria in space but with that bit more to an actual story and base building/survival.

How to Survive 2 is in early acces though I think it has some sort of story but I don't know as much as I haven't completed that many quests as me and a mate of mine have been darting between Overwatch, Ark and DOOM.

I found a list of new co-op releases on Steam if you want to take a gander sometime: http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Co-op/#p=0&tab=NewReleases



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Chazore said:
Johnw1104 said:

Yeah I agree it depends on the game. For instance, my buddy and I were crazy disappointed that the most recent Far Cry was not going to be coop, local or online. We had a ton of fun playing Far Cry 4 together and were trying to find some game akin to that which features multiplayer and, as I said, while it's a separate issue coop campaigns seem to be dealing with the same decline that single player campaigns themselves are lol

It just seems like the things I like most are the things that are less common, but I have a very, very strong suspicion that's just my biases shining through. Really though, for the life of us we can't find a quality coop campaign on the PS4 to play together right now and it's very frustrating. The only other one we had hope for (No Man's Sky) is not only rumored to be delayed again, but looks increasingly boring and stated there's no way to actually meet up with friends in the game right now.

Soooo the search goes on.

To be honest we have plenty of SP and MP experiences, it's the games that have heavy focus on actual co-op that aren't entirely all there, though again we'd have to make and force some narritive and mechanics to make the game appear more co-op friendly than say optional which most games tend to roll with.

I find quality co-op with recent titles I've played like Ark, that game has PvE servers and PvP, I chose the option to just roll with hosting my own map on my PC so me and a mate could build in peace because in that game, despite being on a PvE server, other players can still drag your sleeping logged out corpse towards hostile dinos or drown you to get your stuff, with it being just you and a friend there really isn't much to worry about. Same with How to Survive 2, I;ve been playing that with the same friend co-op wise with setting up our own camp, when I'm logged out he can still contribute to it while I'm away at work and vice versa, so the cop-op experience still goes on despite me not being there with him and I think that's neat. 

I would suggest (not trying to be PCMR in any way here, just my suggestion) giving Starbound a try when it reaches 1.0 (launch) as they will be adding Steam friend invite support, with the current option of you being able to host your own server or join one via it's IP address (also I'll be making a thread on Starbound once it reaches 1.0 for anyone who wants it's info as well as some give away copies). That game will at some point launch on X1 from what I gathered a month or two ago, but the game itself will definitely have a campaign and quests along with it working a lot like NMS but being akin to Terraria in space but with that bit more to an actual story and base building/survival.

How to Survive 2 is in early acces though I think it has some sort of story but I don't know as much as I haven't completed that many quests as me and a mate of mine have been darting between Overwatch, Ark and DOOM.

I found a list of new co-op releases on Steam if you want to take a gander sometime: http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Co-op/#p=0&tab=NewReleases

Yeah that's really been the problem, I've been playing on computers since they were on giant floppy disks and have a rig prepared for VR, but he doesn't have a PC whatsoever. I've actually been lobbying him for ages to get one though and, with the hardware I've just replaced, I can almost construct him a quality PC with what I removed lol... If he'd just commit to about $300s of spending we could finish it and he'd be good to go for most games.

That's always been my problem though, I've never had a friend who actually maintained a gaming rig. I don't blame them as its expensive, but our options have always been console based, and for the first time in a long time that suddenly feels rather limiting as far as Co-op is concerned.



Johnw1104 said:

Yeah that's really been the problem, I've been playing on computers since they were on giant floppy disks and have a rig prepared for VR, but he doesn't have a PC whatsoever. I've actually been lobbying him for ages to get one though and, with the hardware I've just replaced, I can almost construct him a quality PC with what I removed lol... If he'd just commit to about $300s of spending we could finish it and he'd be good to go for most games.

That's always been my problem though, I've never had a friend who actually maintained a gaming rig. I don't blame them as its expensive, but our options have always been console based, and for the first time in a long time that suddenly feels rather limiting as far as Co-op is concerned.

All he has to do is invest for now and he won't/shouldn't need to tinker until a few years later or at least possibly replacing one component or two if he wants to.

It all depends on what your wallet will allow really, they can be expensive if you truly want your build to be or it can be as cheap as chips but suffering at the cost of visuals and maybe even performance. There is a dude over on youtube called "cult of Mush" who creates PC gaming vids weekly as well as dishing out hardware deals/PC builds on a monthly basis for those wishing to make a new rig or find good hardware deals. There are also sites like PC Parts picker where you can build a rig based on the parts you want and choose the beter deals along with the site making sure to let you know that the parts all work and which part won't work (which I find pretty neat).

I'd say for myself that I don't feel limited on what I game on but more in terms of my taste. I love C&C style RTS titles for example but these days there are far less quality titles that play exactly like C&C that do really well and get me on board, but that's due to the general decline of genre in general, these days there are far more 4x/turn based non base building strat games than there used to be 5-10 years ago. I do at times blame my specific taste but at the same time I have tried to get into other genres and types of games but they just don't click with me and I just end up waiting to see what takes my fancy/comes my way. 



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Nem said:
ohmylanta1003 said:

By fast, do you mean over the span of a decade, or what? Because any good dev is gonna keep the servers up for a long ass time. Who cares if the servers are shut down after 10 years? You're entire life has changed at that point, there's been a decade of great game releases, and you've probably long forgotten this game by now. So go ahead, if you wanna be bitter about it, no one is stopping you. But just because you're all bitter and THINK that we're getting gouged doesn't mean that there aren't millions of gamers out there that are pouring hundreds of fun hours into these multiplayer games. Worth way more than your average singleplayer game.

You are very optimistic. 

Though i have to laugh at the "bitter" comment. I told you buy them if you want. I could'nt care less how you want to spend your money. But, i'm not spending my money on them, that's for sure. I'm not even an FPS fan. So, even if they had SP i probably wouldn't buy them.

But, the facts are the facts. They are risky buys.

ohmylanta1003 said:

Move forward, stop, save, move forward, stop, save, move forward, stop, save, game over 10 hours later.

So fulfilling. So worth the price tag.

Every move forward you mentioned means seeing something new. You gonna say he is bitter aswell. Dude... you like a certain type of game. Not everyone does and they question their worth. Perfectly normal. Move on.

Also... howcome is every single player game is a 10 hour game? That is a very weak argument and you know it.

That's not a fact. It isn't risky. You're wrong.

Also, most singleplayer campaigns aren't that long, and even so, your arguments are worse than mine.



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ohmylanta1003 said:
Nem said:

You are very optimistic. 

Though i have to laugh at the "bitter" comment. I told you buy them if you want. I could'nt care less how you want to spend your money. But, i'm not spending my money on them, that's for sure. I'm not even an FPS fan. So, even if they had SP i probably wouldn't buy them.

But, the facts are the facts. They are risky buys.

Every move forward you mentioned means seeing something new. You gonna say he is bitter aswell. Dude... you like a certain type of game. Not everyone does and they question their worth. Perfectly normal. Move on.

Also... howcome is every single player game is a 10 hour game? That is a very weak argument and you know it.

That's not a fact. It isn't risky. You're wrong.

Also, most singleplayer campaigns aren't that long, and even so, your arguments are worse than mine.

You are not wrong. Its the world that is wrong! We are all collectively allucinating! You are very unbiased.