Nintendo are screwed if true, im not the biggest Nintendo fan but i still want them around. I doubt they would ever go third party.

The New XBox will never be a full blown console, it can't happen for obvious reasons. It's too early, it would cost too much, and all the owners of the previous model would be really disappointed, cause Games on the New Hardware would look too much better; it doesn't work; both Sony and MS will release a new Hardware with around 2/2.5X the raw power of the previous model, trying to keep the price very competitive.

Sorry to say that, but your post is completely broken.

I don't see how, the neo doesn't come close to the new Nvidia cards that are coming out, I already have a 4k monitor and a good i7 for the same price as neo I will probly have a 1070GTX, processor wise the Neo is lackluster, Ram wise also, since my pc has 16GB withoud even adding the Vram on the graphics card.

After seeing the witcher in 4k I want that with my next pc, even tough the Neo will performe better, it won't do 60fps and 4k or 120fps and 1080p, my next PC will, obviously I am willing to spent more overall, but games are cheaper on PC so I generally spent around the same.

Not saying PS4 and Neo are not good consoles, they are, I enjoy my PS4, until dawn, helldivers, alienation, uncharted, the last of us, many games I love, but for the fallouts, witchers, mafia, grand thefy auto and so forth, if you have the money PC will always play them better (its been like that since PSX) :)

p.s: dont forget the PC also has many exclusives, I spent more time in Total War games, Civilization, Starcraft and so forth, then anything on PS4

lol here we go again in fantasy train.

no, it won't be 6TFLOPS + HMB2 + 399$

HMB2 will be releasing with Vega, not Polaris. Vega is aimed to release in 2017 and will be the new top of the line tech then. There's no way they will have good enough yeilds to price the APU (yeah because we need a processor there too right?) anywhere around the 400$ mark.

Also HMB2 would not be at all necessary for a 4-6 Tflop card, the current gtx 1080 is way ahead and it still uses DDR5X.

so let's just stop ok?

My post is based on the latest rumours and asking people what they think if these rumours are true. The MS rumours have now been cited by Polygon, Kotaku and IGN and one of the people who has also heard the rumor from his credible source is Jason Shreier who usually does his research before writing articles. 

Even then, this thread is about deliberating if current rumours are true how things would play out, not whether these rumours are fact. 

Secondly, you forget the original Xbox had about a 4 year life before the 360 came along. If rumours are true, the XBox One two will be released end of next year giving it a 4 year life, same as the original Xbox. If what you say is true, how do you explain the 360s success? Additionally, unlike the 360, there is a huge possibility their next console will be backwards compatible with scalable games, meaning all games on the new system will work on the old, but will look / perform inferior. 

Phil himself said they won't do a half assed upgrade. If he upgrades it will be full blown, hence the rumours the new Xbox will have 5-6TF performance and support the Oculus Rift. If the oculus thing goes ahead, you will need to look at what the minimum spec for a PC is as most likely, the next Xbox will have to try and match that minimum spec. 

Unfortunately you can't use "memory sticks" as a basis for pricing as Console manufacturers don't buy them in that form factor, but rather the individual chips themselves, plus they use manufacturing deals to get even lower pricing and cutting a middle man out (Like OCZ/Kingston/Corsair etc'.) by getting it direct from the factory.
You would also be surprised how well even moderately binned DDR4 memory can scale in clocks.

Plus console manufacturers look at things over a long term, higher price today could coincide with a lower price tomorrow... With that said, it all depends on if Microsoft does a chip respin with an updated memory controller or a new SoC design... If not and it's the same Jaguar blocks, memory controller and all, then DDR3 is likely to remain. (Although, DDR3 can run at up-to 3ghz which means 96GB/s of bandwidth on a 256bit bus, even seen some DDR3 kits hit 3.4ghz for 107GB/s.)

I do find it a little funny that a 4 TFLOP PS4 in a few months for $399 is totally believable, but a 6 TFLOP XBox a full year later would be some how impossible, probably be $600, etc. etc. etc. lol.

No chance the XBox Scorpio is not a good deal more powerful than the Neo, I don't care what RAM they use. MS knows not having parity/superiority on third party multiplats hurt them and the XBOne's underpowered spec hurts them on VR also, Scorpio will address those issues.

Scorpio will be the most powerful console spec on the market when it launches probably by a good amount and will be upgradable from that point onwards too. 6 TFLOP for MS is about what I'd expect if Sony can do 4+ this year.

I don't see that number as terribly shocking or surprising, they're not going to release something a year later that was only going to be on par with the PS4 Neo, c'mon. It's not going to be like $500 or anything either I'd bet, the year gap will allow them to get a considerably better chip than whatever Sony will have. 

To be honest I don't think MS is as beholden to gauruntee "parity" with old XOne models either. By 2017 they'll have given the XOne a full four years of support and it'll be gaurunteed to get at least another year of releases from that point on, which would be five full years of support. It's not like XOne is the market leader or anything, they're not beholden to support it forever, 4 years of primary support + 1 year of secondary/solid support would be decent, then they could transition more over to this newer XBox2 model or whatever it's called. 

you left out something else that I have said, the HMB2 not only would be much more expensive but also absolutely unnecessary. It's immaterial if you think 6TFLOP will be the final power output, it's all conjecture and speculation based on nothing at the moment. What's factual is that HMB2 will only come after Vega 10 and the yields on the top of the line GPU would never be sufficient to feed an assembly line of a console. The price would be too high.

for comparison sake the gtx 1070 is already 6 TFLOPs and it's still using DDR5, not HMB2 (because it would make it much pricier and overkill for the capabilities it has)

 during the XB1 reveal MS came on and said 5 Billion transistors and all that power if the cloud thing? I know MS has not officially said anything, but I'm i inclined to believe that the ONLY way MS can put 6tf in any kinda box costing anything under $500 by next year is if that number is talking about the theoretical performance of the cpu and gpu combined.

6TF, HBM1/2, Vega architecture....... all tgese things just sound impossible. Especially when people realize we are in an industry defined by its price. If at the time the XB1+ is released the Neo is already on the market at anything under $399 (and possibly even less) then there is no way MS releases a box that costs more than $399. 

My advice to anyone looking into rumours like these; first have a $400 ceiling, then try working out what can realistically be made for under $400. That should give you a very good estimate of how much power we are talking about. 

Why is 6 TFLOPS impossible for fall 2017 but 4+ TFLOP perfectly reasonable for this September?

Magical Sonytenium materials?

If Sony is getting 4+ this fall for $399, then 5 TFLOP+ should be the minimum for MS a year from now.