Well if one console has a significantly lower price but that play most of the same games as the other console it will sell more than it would when the price was similar to the competition.

If the Xbox is really as powerful as rumored I'll buy it over a Neo.  Why?  Because powah!  I'm shallow like that.  :). Oh, and I just lost all interest in the NX just as I was really starting to consider it because I'm pretty certain it will behind again. 

That bolded part...... this is the K kinda stuff that makes me wonder how some here really think these things work.

let's look at the 1080 card from nvidia. This is a 9TF GPU that cost $500 with a power draw of over 250W. Just a GPU.

It is impossible, by nvidia, Intel, and or anyone else to make an APU that has a GPU with 6TF of power on the same chip that there also exists an 8core CPU. And have that chip draw less than 250W. Even if by some miracle of  16nm finfet fabrication that were even possible, it will be impossible to have that all be in a box that costs less than $800.

The amount of power MS will have to go for to allow for a memory architecture switch now to allow them adequately emulate all existing XB1  games to ensure full BC with the existing XB library is just too much and too expensive even if they waited till 2018. So as long as they are using SDram for now, that limits how powerful their console can be. Will it be more powerful than the XB1? yes. but it's just not possible to make it more powerful than a PS4k, 

I just don't see how they can do it. Even if they want to split the cpu and GPU. the sdram still has to be there to ensure BC, but all that just means a much more expensive box. 

Ah well, we will see I guess. This post is not directed at you, I just took the bolded part and used it to elaborate on something else i was thinking of. I can tell you also get where I'm coming from with all this. 

Nintendo could be in big trouble here.
One of the reasons for optimism with the NX was the fact that it was assumed that the NX would be released early in the lifespan of XBone and PS4 and might have a decent amount of time as the most powerful console on the market.
Then we heard that NX was only as powerful as XBone (approx)
Then we heard they aren't using X86 architecture so 3rd parties won't be able to easily port games to NX
Then we heard of PS4 Neo and XBone 2 which will support VR technology
Then we heard NX won't be out for xmas 2016
Then we heard there will be no NX at E3

If Nintendo come to the party with a niche, underpowered product that misses a majority of multi-plat titles then those Nintendo doom threads may actually be right for once....

You are looking at the eSRAM wrong.
Think of it like an L4 CPU cache. - It can also be off-chip, Microsoft would be silly not to include it in a future console revision, it's benefits outweigh the cons, if it's not increasing performance, then it's reducing power consumption.

Microsoft then could upgrade the system ram to DDR4, with DDR4 now hitting 4266Mhz, Microsoft could double the bandwidth without much effort. (Barring the need for a chip respin to accomodate a newer memory controller.)
That would give the Xbox One 136GB/s of bandwidth without blowing out costs.

Still. I hope Microsoft doesn't release a new console, the Xbox One is fine the way it is, wait untill a new generation to introduce new hardware.

Good one :)

Lets go check newegg:

8gigs of DDR3 2133 = 35-40$

8gigs of DDR4 4266 = 280$

I know that microsoft pays a smaller cost than what consumers buy things for.

However the massive differnce in cost, is too massive to all just have been passed onto the consumer for no reason at all.

If Microsoft decide to go with bleeding edge DDR4 speeds, the price of the new Xbox One ii (one-two) would be high.

Basically Im saying you thinking it ll get DDR4 4266 speeds is wishfull thinking.

My guess:

DDR4 3200 = 102 GB/S memory speeds from ram.

eSRam = double up (32mb -> 64mb) 50% boost to speed here = 150 GB/s memory bandwidth.

This results in old Xbox One = 68 Gb/s from DDR3 + 102 Gb/s from eSram = about 170 Gb/s under optimal situations/less otherwise.

new Xbox One ii = 102 Gb/s from DDR4(3200) + 150 Gb/s from eSram = about 252 Gb/s under optimal situations/less otherwise.

To compaire:

PS4 Neo is rumored to have 218-220 Gb/s of memory bandwidth.

"I hope Microsoft doesn't release a new console, the Xbox One is fine the way it is"

Its happending.

Theres too much smoke for there not to be fire somewhere. When one of those leaked guys, has over 5 insider sources all confirming the same thing.

At this point theres no reason to suspect it isnt going to happend. Also it makes sense, MS cant just not compete against Sony with their Playstation.

If Sony does a PS4 neo and there isnt a new Xbox, things are gonna look bad.

That would put xbox in a Wii U like situation.... no one wants to be a intire gen or half gen, behinde in hardware.

If all rumours are true I will stick with PS4 as long as games run, wait what the PS5 is like and buy a new PC next year because 80% of the games are just best on PC and there are some good exclusives on Playstation platforms, justified the PS4 for me.

If microsoft releases all their games on pc, GREAT i had a xbox360 for playing gear, halo etc, if i dont have to get a xbox one to play them, cheaper for me.

Unless Sony or Microsoft want to reduce the memory from 8GB to 4GB, HBM(1) ain't an option: http://www.anandtech.com/show/9390/the-amd-radeon-r9-fury-x-review/7

And 8 or 16 GB HBM2-memory would let the costs of the new console models explode. GDDR5X would make much more sense.

why? with this neo you can get better performance just like on PC including for PS4 exclusives 

I know these are all just rumors but I love how many are speculating as if it's facts and though they have all of the information about each platform.