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JRPGfan on 25 May 2016
Intrinsic said:
NextGen_Gamer said:

And the building of two game engines would only apply to games going FORWARD. On top of that, if MS ditches the eDRAM, then it would (most likely) instantly break compatability with all current Xbox One games. Imagine dropping $400+ on the Xbox One+ only to find out the 100s of current games don't play on it lol. Now, MS has shown they are willing to spend lots of time & engineers on software emulation, like bringing Xbox 360 games to Xbox One. Not surprising since I still consider Microsoft a software company at heart. So maybe they think they have figured out a great software emulation layer for current Xbox One games to run on hypotheotical XBOne+ with HBM2 memory. Even still, you are just asking for problems and glitches to happen with that approach. Wanna know the main reason the console market exists alongside the PC world? Because you buy a console, you buy a game for that console, and it just works. No settings, no compatibility problems. Start messing with that basic philosphy too much, and you can kiss your customers goodbye...

Exactly!!! (i love it when someone else gets it).

If MS makes an XB1+ without the SDram, then they better make sure whatever they make is fully BC with the ogXB1. The only way they ensure natural BC is to have the ESram be on the chip, and doimg that limits how much "more" powerful they can reallh make that chip be. Then again, they could try and emulate as you said, but that will require they make a ridiculously powerful box. Such a box will prpbably cost upwards of $700/$800......

yup, thats not going to happen.

Yep  MS is forced into staying with SDram for along time, if their doing the iterations of consoles thing.

 

this man really is a f***ing genius (Mark Cerny):

 

^ he made sure Sony didnt go for split memory pools, so they could use HSA compute funktions and so it would be easier to develope for, and become more cost effecient over time, easier to upgrade hardware for in the future ect.

 

Whatever hardware team at MS decided on the SDram.... they hurt MS in the longrun, thinking short term.



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onionberry on 25 May 2016

zelda :p



Bryank75 on 25 May 2016
jason1637 said:
The latest rumor says the xbslim would be $150-175 and the ps4 neo would be $400-450. If this is true the xboxslim hands down will probably do better than ps4 slim and close the gap in EU but if the prices are much closer then the ps4 neo will sell better. As for NX I'm not sure but if its $300 and has third party plus a steady release of 1st party it should do well also.

 

"Close the gap in the EU"..... unlikely! LOL



JRPGfan on 25 May 2016
onionberry said:
zelda :p

I still cant come to terms with the Wii U never getting a zelda game (before the console is dead basically).

Atleast that wont be a issue with the NX.

 

Bryank75 said:
jason1637 said:
The latest rumor says the xbslim would be $150-175 and the ps4 neo would be $400-450. If this is true the xboxslim hands down will probably do better than ps4 slim and close the gap in EU but if the prices are much closer then the ps4 neo will sell better. As for NX I'm not sure but if its $300 and has third party plus a steady release of 1st party it should do well also.

"Close the gap in the EU"..... unlikely! LOL

PS4Neo will have more than year headstart until this Xbox Two (one ii, one-two) comes out.

I really doubt the gap will be closeing, anytime soon.



onionberry on 25 May 2016
JRPGfan said:
onionberry said:
zelda :p

I still cant come to terms with the Wii U never getting a zelda game (before the console is dead basically).

Atleast that wont be a issue with the NX.

yeah poor wii u, after mirage sessions, it's over at least for me.



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jason1637 on 25 May 2016
Bryank75 said:
jason1637 said:
The latest rumor says the xbslim would be $150-175 and the ps4 neo would be $400-450. If this is true the xboxslim hands down will probably do better than ps4 slim and close the gap in EU but if the prices are much closer then the ps4 neo will sell better. As for NX I'm not sure but if its $300 and has third party plus a steady release of 1st party it should do well also.

 

"Close the gap in the EU"..... unlikely! LOL

I didn't mean it will sell more than ps4 to close the gap. The ps4 will probably keep outselling it every week but the weekly gaps will be smaller. Instead of the ps4 selling 90 a week and xb1 selling 30k a week in EU it could be 90k vs 50k a week.



JRPGfan on 25 May 2016
jason1637 said:
Bryank75 said:

"Close the gap in the EU"..... unlikely! LOL

I didn't mean it will sell more than ps4 to close the gap. The ps4 will probably keep outselling it every week but the weekly gaps will be smaller. Instead of the ps4 selling 90 a week and xb1 selling 30k a week in EU it could be 90k vs 50k a week.

Why though?

 

PS4 was a oddball, its was both cheaper and more power at the same time.

The Xbox Two, is rumored to be more powerfull, and probably more expensive. Usually the more expensive console isnt the best selling.

The 1 year headstart the PS4 neo has, will be in its favor too.



Bryank75 on 25 May 2016
jason1637 said:
Bryank75 said:

 

"Close the gap in the EU"..... unlikely! LOL

I didn't mean it will sell more than ps4 to close the gap. The ps4 will probably keep outselling it every week but the weekly gaps will be smaller. Instead of the ps4 selling 90 a week and xb1 selling 30k a week in EU it could be 90k vs 50k a week.

I really don't know, sure the sales will come up but knowing that a new PS and Xbox are coming... It makes it much more complicated. Then on top of this you have another layer, Xbox exclusives are now all going to PC. For example, my brother is mainly a PC gamer and he has a PS4 that sits on his PC case... only used for exclusives and console only games like destiny. 

I think people are gonna see two options: get a PC and PS4 or get a PS4 and NX (with a third option of PC/NX but third party hursts this).

I am leaning towards upgrading to PSNeo and NX right now but I'll see how things go...



mutantsushi on 25 May 2016
Intrinsic said:
Soundwave said:

My guess is they're looking at switching to HBM2 RAM entirely. 

Its just not that simple. On the XB1, there are two pools of memory. 
Sony actually can upgrade to HBM with the PS4 with less hassle than it would be for MS. 
If MS made a console without the sdram, then developers would be required to make two extremely different versions of their game for the XB1 platform. Ms could completely abandon the sdram approach tho, and basically make the XB1.5 as close to PC as possible so devs that build for the PC are technically also just building for the XB1.5 but that's another story. 

Or, MS could abandon SDRAM and make XB2 close to PS4 memory model (just better with HBM).
The issue here is doing so breaks the platform with XBone, while Sony will be doubling down on platform growth.
In the longer term, MS would be attracted to ditching the SDRAM, but shorter term interests could prevent it.
But if they are planning not only Scorpio but generations after that, they might prefer better memory architecture switch now.
Even with the SDRAM I am sure the extra year's worth of tech progression will allow performance bonus vs. PS4.5.
Issue is whether it will be enough to make a difference, meanwhile PS4+4.5 will be reaping benefits in exclusives sharing some optimization.



mutantsushi on 25 May 2016
jason1637 said:
Bryank75 said:

"Close the gap in the EU"..... unlikely! LOL

I didn't mean it will sell more than ps4 to close the gap. The ps4 will probably keep outselling it every week but the weekly gaps will be smaller. Instead of the ps4 selling 90 a week and xb1 selling 30k a week in EU it could be 90k vs 50k a week.

How has lower prices for XBone changed anything in EU though?  So what difference will Slim make?
Sony has been able to charge premium for Playstation and that doesn't make XB more attractive there.  Nothing new here.