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BraLoD said:

The Windows icon here outlines as "download Windows 10" with the mouse over it, and when I click it the window that open just says "update now" and "download now but update later". I checked the link you sent and found nothing about it, does it means my PC won't be scheduled for an update?

As far as I know, you should be fine unless you have something like this:

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/229182-microsoft-will-adjust-malware-like-upgrade-policy-for-windows-10-following-outcry

Otherwise, I guess you just have to keep watching your little W10 popup box.  I certainly wouldn't trust Microsoft not to try something else on the fishy side.  You can turn off auto updates or recommended updates, if you want to go that far.  Just remember that Microsoft considers 'X' to be consent.



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sethnintendo said:
1337 Gamer said:

Its faster, more streamlined and obviously DirectX12 is a big one. I personally find the UI almost exactly the same as windows 7. Most of the differences are cosmetic in nature as windows 10 is alot like windows 7 from a UI aspect. 

Then call me old fashion.  If it isn't broke then don't fix it.  I am sticking with 7 till 2020 at least.  Every Windows iteration seems to dumb things down and make it difficult to get to change the settings to your desire.  If people like Windows 10 then that is fine.  I just don't like the heavy handed tactics they are trying to pull to get me to switch.  I don't see any benefit into switching.

Ill agree with you on the heavy handed part. However the more people that stick with old obsolete software the more resources microsoft has to waste to patch security and vulnerabilities. I think thats ultimately what this is about. Fragmentation is never a good thing for compatibility sake. Just ask Google. If i were them i would vastly accelerate the timeline for end of support on these old operating systems. Focus on compatibility and migration (basically make sure every program that works on windows 7 and 8 work on windows 10 and then pull the damn plug. The more i use Windows 7 at work the more i realize how archaic and old its really starting to seem. 

 

By doing this everyone is a winner. Microsoft wins because they dont have to waste resources and manpower updating these old operating systems. The forward thinking consumer wins because they get better compatibility support (I still have yet to find a program that doesnt work on it but im sure there is some program out there from the 1990s that some small businesses use that dont work well) and those like you that dont want to upgrade for whatever their reasons may be, win because they will be left alone.



I mostly play RTS and Moba style games now adays as well as ALOT of benchmarking. I do play other games however such as the witcher 3 and Crysis 3, and recently Ashes of the Singularity. I love gaming on the cutting edge and refuse to accept any compromises. Proud member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Long Live SHIO!!!! 

1337 Gamer said:

Ill agree with you on the heavy handed part. However the more people that stick with old obsolete software the more resources microsoft has to waste to patch security and vulnerabilities. I think thats ultimately what this is about. Fragmentation is never a good thing for compatibility sake. Just ask Google. If i were them i would vastly accelerate the timeline for end of support on these old operating systems. Focus on compatibility and migration (basically make sure every program that works on windows 7 and 8 work on windows 10 and then pull the damn plug. The more i use Windows 7 at work the more i realize how archaic and old its really starting to seem. 

 

By doing this everyone is a winner. Microsoft wins because they dont have to waste resources and manpower updating these old operating systems. The forward thinking consumer wins because they get better compatibility support (I still have yet to find a program that doesnt work on it but im sure there is some program out there from the 1990s that some small businesses use that dont work well) and those like you that dont want to upgrade for whatever their reasons may be, win because they will be left alone.

Everyone isn't a winner though (certainly not me at all in the slightest), what you suggest is a very totalrian mentality in which we all have to upgrade to what you and MS think is subjective and objkectively the ebst way to do anything. Pulling the plug and showing a desire to force people to something you rpefer isn't going to make 7 billion people happy at all. It doesn't matter what you think is superior because 7 billion people on this rock aren't all going to agree with your views let alone MS's, otherwise MS would have complete global domination over everything OS/software wise and that is far from the truth here. 

I'm sticking with 7 because it works for me and it's all I've ever wanted from an OS, 10 on the other hand and what MS has going for it isn't what I want at all which leads me to wanting to stick with 7 for as long as possible and then jumping over towards Steam OS/Linux because it's become clear that MS would rather force you to do what they think is best for you, that isn't really what's best for me, it's what MS thinks is best for themselves and I for one loathe a company that thinks in such a way. 



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So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

That's what happen to me one morning I turn on my computer and I have windows 10 but I don't regret it, edge is a lot faster and my computer is running much better can't complain. I had windows 7 before.



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Chazore said:
1337 Gamer said:

Ill agree with you on the heavy handed part. However the more people that stick with old obsolete software the more resources microsoft has to waste to patch security and vulnerabilities. I think thats ultimately what this is about. Fragmentation is never a good thing for compatibility sake. Just ask Google. If i were them i would vastly accelerate the timeline for end of support on these old operating systems. Focus on compatibility and migration (basically make sure every program that works on windows 7 and 8 work on windows 10 and then pull the damn plug. The more i use Windows 7 at work the more i realize how archaic and old its really starting to seem. 

 

By doing this everyone is a winner. Microsoft wins because they dont have to waste resources and manpower updating these old operating systems. The forward thinking consumer wins because they get better compatibility support (I still have yet to find a program that doesnt work on it but im sure there is some program out there from the 1990s that some small businesses use that dont work well) and those like you that dont want to upgrade for whatever their reasons may be, win because they will be left alone.

Everyone isn't a winner though (certainly not me at all in the slightest), what you suggest is a very totalrian mentality in which we all have to upgrade to what you and MS think is subjective and objkectively the ebst way to do anything. Pulling the plug and showing a desire to force people to something you rpefer isn't going to make 7 billion people happy at all. It doesn't matter what you think is superior because 7 billion people on this rock aren't all going to agree with your views let alone MS's, otherwise MS would have complete global domination over everything OS/software wise and that is far from the truth here. 

I'm sticking with 7 because it works for me and it's all I've ever wanted from an OS, 10 on the other hand and what MS has going for it isn't what I want at all which leads me to wanting to stick with 7 for as long as possible and then jumping over towards Steam OS/Linux because it's become clear that MS would rather force you to do what they think is best for you, that isn't really what's best for me, it's what MS thinks is best for themselves and I for one loathe a company that thinks in such a way. 

Good then stick with 7. No one is ultimately going to force you to upgrade. But you buying an operating system does not entitle you to updates indefinitely. Microsoft generally gives an EXTREMELY generous 7 - 10 year period of gradually decreasing updates. This same shit happens every time a new windows comes out. No matter how good it is (and myself and many tech experts agree EVERY version if windows has been better than its previous iteration. If not by immediately then atleast by the time service pack 1 is released) but a very vocal minority bitch and moan about how it sucks and what they had was better. and yet EVERY time people eventually come around. Holdouts such as yourself certainly shouldnt hold progress back.  Might as well accept the inevitable and start getting used to linux. I hope your pretty damn tech savvy.

 

More than anything I want to see developers really push directX 12 and climb on board. The sooner everyone upgrades the faster they will be forced to do so. So many people here talk so much shit about Windows 10 but its great. Have you even honestly given windows 10 a try? I VERY seriously doubt it and if you didnt like it please give a real reason as to why windows 7 is so much better?

 

So many people bitch about customizibility and having complete control over your system. Please name 1 damned feature or optionm that you use that you are unable to gain control of and access? While a few of the deeper options in windows 10 took me a little while to find i did so and now my system runs amazing. Libraries and indexing are SOOO much faster, the UI is much prettier and more functional, Direct X 12, Edge Browser, improved NVME support and the list goes on and on. Windows 7 is obsolete and dated.

 

So please tell me why windows 10 is so bad? And dont just say I dont need it or what i have is good enough. That isnt a valid excuse to stick your head in the sand and ignore progress. Or if you do dont complain when you get left by the wayside.

 

Edit: Im sorry if im coming off as hostile. Its just that the hate that windows 10 gets is absolutely mindblowing. Any person that has actually put in more than a few minutes into learning the ins and outs of the new system all have positive things to say. is windows 10 perfect? No absolutely not, but its infinitely more modern and faster than Windows 7. Absolutely no one who has really given it a whirl would disagree. Most of peoples complaints are just stuff they heard on the internet and not representative of their true experiences with the system. Seriously give it a try. Go through and customize it to your liking and use it for a week, and then come back and tell me that windows 7 is better.



I mostly play RTS and Moba style games now adays as well as ALOT of benchmarking. I do play other games however such as the witcher 3 and Crysis 3, and recently Ashes of the Singularity. I love gaming on the cutting edge and refuse to accept any compromises. Proud member of the Glorious PC Gaming Master Race. Long Live SHIO!!!! 

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1337 Gamer said:

Good then stick with 7. No one is ultimately going to force you to upgrade. But you buying an operating system does not entitle you to updates indefinitely. Microsoft generally gives an EXTREMELY generous 7 - 10 year period of gradually decreasing updates. This same shit happens every time a new windows comes out. No matter how good it is (and myself and many tech experts agree EVERY version if windows has been better than its previous iteration. If not by immediately then atleast by the time service pack 1 is released) but a very vocal minority bitch and moan about how it sucks and what they had was better. and yet EVERY time people eventually come around. Holdouts such as yourself certainly shouldnt hold progress back.  Might as well accept the inevitable and start getting used to linux. I hope your pretty damn tech savvy.

 

More than anything I want to see developers really push directX 12 and climb on board. The sooner everyone upgrades the faster they will be forced to do so. So many people here talk so much shit about Windows 10 but its great. Have you even honestly given windows 10 a try? I VERY seriously doubt it and if you didnt like it please give a real reason as to why windows 7 is so much better?

 

So many people bitch about customizibility and having complete control over your system. Please name 1 damned feature or optionm that you use that you are unable to gain control of and access? While a few of the deeper options in windows 10 took me a little while to find i did so and now my system runs amazing. Libraries and indexing are SOOO much faster, the UI is much prettier and more functional, Direct X 12, Edge Browser, improved NVME support and the list goes on and on. Windows 7 is obsolete and dated.

 

So please tell me why windows 10 is so bad? And dont just say I dont need it or what i have is good enough. That isnt a valid excuse to stick your head in the sand and ignore progress. Or if you do dont complain when you get left by the wayside.

 

Edit: Im sorry if im coming off as hostile. Its just that the hate that windows 10 gets is absolutely mindblowing. Any person that has actually put in more than a few minutes into learning the ins and outs of the new system all have positive things to say. is windows 10 perfect? No absolutely not, but its infinitely more modern and faster than Windows 7. Absolutely no one who has really given it a whirl would disagree. Most of peoples complaints are just stuff they heard on the internet and not representative of their true experiences with the system. Seriously give it a try. Go through and customize it to your liking and use it for a week, and then come back and tell me that windows 7 is better.

I have my own free will and choices, to call them shit or tripe is extremely arrogant and  juvenile at best. If you choose to understand those who arne't on the other side of the fence then we as a whole can get along much better, especially for the other billions of folk out there who still haven't gone with 10 and instead go with legacy software and other OS's. 

The world doesn't revolve around MS and neither do we, the fact that there are a multitude of different OS's and people still using older OS's proves that MS still isn't doing the right thing or grabbing say 6 billion out of 7 on the planet all at once. I chose to stick with 7 because I strongly feel that MS doesn't care about me nor what I want out of an OS and so far the data on the other side as well as users are showing this to me. Just because I don't like what you like means I'm a vile hater that needs to adhere to the OS, it just means MS hasn't grabbed me and has to work to get me back, that's the point of getting me on board is to get me to get their OS, that has failed and it still is failing which of course has led to "what don't you like about it" crowd coming to do their work for them (no offense but every time that crowd pops up, it's always, always going to involve them not seeing where you are coming from let alone allowing you to stand where you are).

 

I'm honestly not bothered about update support from them as I'm not someone who just stumbles upon viruses or backdoors every waking day, I take very good care of my rig and the software/OS within. Once devs stop creating titles that support 7-8.1, I'll simply be moving to an OS that takes my fancy and out of the many distros of Linux including Steam OS, I have actual choices instead of Windows or bust. 

I don't think I want to go through the rigmarole of explaining why I don't like 10 nor MS at this moment in time because 9/10 you're very likely to suggest fluff and invalidated reasoning, that is to say that I'm on the "wrong" side of the fence until I skip to 10, because lets be honest here, nothing so far gives reason for a 10 user to allow other folk on different OS's to let be, whether it be through debates like this or "it's the best objectively"moments right up until someone dares say different and then the cycle repeats itself.

Also for the record I have tried 10, multiple times in fact along with having to deal with it each time my step dad calls me over to tutor him on using his win 10 laptop, not even the best of times to teach someone like him who knows so little about PC's and yet gets frustrated when the simple OS doesn't allow him to do what he sets out to do unless I show him, that wasn't the issues with the previous win 7 laptop he had some years ago either. My own mother is a self confessed Luddite, I imagine her being pissed to find she'd been forced to upgrade to an OS she never wanted (because she doesn't want anything forced on her peroid).

In the end I still firmly believe that 7 is better for me for both my gaming and every day usage, it does what I want when I want it to and it boots up just fine and speedy along with supporting all of my games just fine. 10 is just not what I'm looking for nor want in an OS, if anything Steam OS is something I'd like more of along with universal OS support with an API like Vulkan which by the way supports windows 10 as well as 7-8.1 and other OS's. It's better to have more choices and venues than it is to have only one.



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So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"

Seriously?

It's well document there are some machines running windows 7 or 8 are not completely compatible with Windows 10. I know it's possible to revert but how about you don't employ such time wasting unethical tactics in the first place. MS may know what's better for some people but they surely don't know what's best for all. The degree some of you are willing to bend over for your beloved company is astonishing. Even MS has responded to the backlash and provided a way to cancel the upgrade and some are still defending them. Just wow.

Going from nagging users to push them to upgrade to tricking them to upgrade only makes room for horrible customer experience. MS knows it and provided a work around. Why are you still supporting them?



think-man said:
So why don't people want to upgrade?

Personally I wasn't too enthused about "upgrading" because the last time they forced something like this on me (8.0 to 8.1 patch) it broke my HDMI out and I found out that the drivers hadn't been updated for that patch.  Every major OS change comes with little niggles like that and I'm ok with that if I choose to update my OS but if it's forced upon me those little issues become much more major in my mind.  

Thankfully the update to 10 (which I was tricked into) did not seem to break anything but my wife's computer's calculator no longer works.  Again, that's a small complaint, but if you're forcing an update on me and it breaks something I consider important for how I use my computer I'm going to be rightfully annoyed.  



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1337 Gamer said:

Good then stick with 7. No one is ultimately going to force you to upgrade. But you buying an operating system does not entitle you to updates indefinitely. Microsoft generally gives an EXTREMELY generous 7 - 10 year period of gradually decreasing updates. This same shit happens every time a new windows comes out. No matter how good it is (and myself and many tech experts agree EVERY version if windows has been better than its previous iteration. If not by immediately then atleast by the time service pack 1 is released) but a very vocal minority bitch and moan about how it sucks and what they had was better. and yet EVERY time people eventually come around. Holdouts such as yourself certainly shouldnt hold progress back.  Might as well accept the inevitable and start getting used to linux. I hope your pretty damn tech savvy.

 

More than anything I want to see developers really push directX 12 and climb on board. The sooner everyone upgrades the faster they will be forced to do so. So many people here talk so much shit about Windows 10 but its great. Have you even honestly given windows 10 a try? I VERY seriously doubt it and if you didnt like it please give a real reason as to why windows 7 is so much better?

 

So many people bitch about customizibility and having complete control over your system. Please name 1 damned feature or optionm that you use that you are unable to gain control of and access? While a few of the deeper options in windows 10 took me a little while to find i did so and now my system runs amazing. Libraries and indexing are SOOO much faster, the UI is much prettier and more functional, Direct X 12, Edge Browser, improved NVME support and the list goes on and on. Windows 7 is obsolete and dated.

 

So please tell me why windows 10 is so bad? And dont just say I dont need it or what i have is good enough. That isnt a valid excuse to stick your head in the sand and ignore progress. Or if you do dont complain when you get left by the wayside.

 

Edit: Im sorry if im coming off as hostile. Its just that the hate that windows 10 gets is absolutely mindblowing. Any person that has actually put in more than a few minutes into learning the ins and outs of the new system all have positive things to say. is windows 10 perfect? No absolutely not, but its infinitely more modern and faster than Windows 7. Absolutely no one who has really given it a whirl would disagree. Most of peoples complaints are just stuff they heard on the internet and not representative of their true experiences with the system. Seriously give it a try. Go through and customize it to your liking and use it for a week, and then come back and tell me that windows 7 is better.

Seriously, you really shouldn't call people's complaints "bitching and moaning".  It's arrogant and disrespectful, as is the accusation that anyone complaining is lying about having tried Windows 10.  It's also absolute bullshit.  People are having the same problems now that they had last summer, which is ridiculous.

I've had Windows 10 since December.  Do not tell me that I'm making up the issues I've had.

Upgrading my i5 has been less of a problem but still very annoying.

  • Repeating download/install loop, installation that froze for a long period
  • Sound was broken until SP1
  • Would not use W7's internet drivers so I couldn't register or update W10 and had to DL them elsewhere

Those would have been an absolute pain in the ass for someone with little technical ability, especially finding and installing drivers manually.

Upgrading on my AMD Phenom, on the other hand, was a disaster.

  • First, one-in-five boots, the OS would freeze on start-up.  The desktop would appear, you could move the mouse a bit, then it would totally freeze.  After some digging, it turns out that Microsoft's quick start feature was the culprit and other people were having the same problem.  I had to turn that off, which made booting W10 slower than W7.
  • Games that crashed would also crash the entire OS about half the time.  Playing the same game on W7 did not have the same effect, as it would simply crash to desktop.  This also would result in the OS not loading after W10 restarted on its own.  It would start to load, reach the splash screen, and freeze, requiring another reboot.  However, if I were quick enough to hit the manual reset button before Microsoft's BSoD, sometimes it would not require a second boot.
  • W10 changed many of the folder options I'd been using for years.  What's more, it made it so some of those options weren't even there by default and I had to re-enable them.  After I did that, using those options made loading folders with a lot of content SO SLOW.  It also changed folder options a couple times with updates, which is annoying.
  • Chrome froze after the upgrade and then simply disappeared.  All the icons and shortcuts vanished.  Reinstalling did make it work, though.
  • On that topic, I used to use a combination of Chrome/Opera so if one had problems, I could use the other.  However, W10 seemed to break Opera and I couldn't get video plug-ins to work.  Worse, if Opera froze, Chrome would ALSO freeze.  The same with IE if it was open.  It was hilarious in a way but also frustrating, as W10 never seemed to simply close things that stopped working and I would have to go to the task manager.

I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting other issues, as well.  It seemed like a constant stream of problems.

So, please, do not tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about or that I'm just making up stuff after having W10 for 5 minutes.

I can totally understand why people with older machines would not want to upgrade.  There are TONS of different issues out there that people have had and are having.  Just because you like W10 doesn't mean it's unicorns and rainbows for everyone.  If you're super tech savvy like you claim then you should understand that.

On the other hand, what's the benefit for people who just want to browse the web or use Office and are perfectly content with using an old PC?  There is barely any difference for them.  They don't care about DX12.  They might absolutely hate Tiles (I know I do).  Yes, file structure is much improved with W10 but, if you have your file system customized to your liking, W10 screws it up pretty badly, as it meshes poorly with W7's Library system (which did suck).

If Microsoft was trying to force this upgrade for the sake of the consumer, they'd simply make the upgrade free for anyone with W7 or W8 without a time limit. 

On a personal level, if absolutely pisses me off that there WERE more and better options to customize W10 in the beta but they took them out with the release version.  That just highlights the things people don't like about Microsoft.



think-man said:
So why don't people want to upgrade?

Driver issues, spying on every single thing you do even offline, DX12 still hasn't delivered anything of real value, plus the problems that always follow a new OS. I would never upgrade before it has at least one major service pack, and I would very much like for the possibility to turn off the excessive info gathering from my private files as well.

When I bought my laptop, I found out that the network card in that just doesn't work with Win 8.1, 8.1 was already pre-installed so I couldn't roll back either. Still today, years after 8.1 patch, the issue is not fixed and my laptop has no wifi, which makes it pretty close to useless as far as laptops go, I actually had to buy an external USB moden for wifi. I'm expecting no less trouble from Windows 10, especially since I have real monster rig now, and last I heard, there are still driver issues with my GPU.

So those are at least some reasons why I don't want to upgrade yet.