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Forums - General Discussion - Former McDonald's USA CEO: $35K Robots Cheaper Than Hiring at $15 Per Hour

fatslob-:O on 24 May 2016
aLkaLiNE said:

I understand the necessity for automated duties such as car manufacturing plants where precision and uniformity are crucial to the product, but we NEED to retain as many jobs as possible, especially at the entry level. For those of us who have made it past entry level jobs it's not as big a deal but we are setting up our children for a society where it's even harder to break past the poverty line. I refuse to admit this was inevitable, this is an extremely sad use of how we apply technology to our daily lives.

No worries, automation will create new jobs too. Someone will have to repair malfunctioning robots so instead of flipping burgers or being a retail clerk the new entry level job is a local robot repairman ... 

Better yet study STEM subjects like I am since they'll have the best wage and job growth too! 



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AbbathTheGrim on 24 May 2016
JRPGfan said:
AbbathTheGrim said:
I wonder if countries will eventually pass legislation to control companies from replacing people with robots.

I honestly think they should.

If they don't at least we can find some peace of mind in knowing that eventually machines will become self-aware and that SJW will one day start talking about machines' rights and companies will be fucked in the end anyways.



Nintendo is selling their IPs to Microsoft and this is true because:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=221391&page=1

aLkaLiNE on 24 May 2016
Nuvendil said:

The $15 minimum wage is ludicrous. There are only two ends for that plan. The best case is a MASSIVE spike in inflation that will ultimately drag the dollar value so low that the pay increase is completely offset. The worst case is frankly total economic collapse as large companies get lean in order to compensate for the enormous spike in payroll costs and small business in general is completely whipped out. It's another short sited proposal made by people so obsessed with their own, personal, immediate convenience that they can't pause to consider the broader ramifications of what they propose. And flipping burgers should NOT net you $15 an hour buddy.

No. I'm sorry but no, this is wrong. The $15 minimum wage needs to be mandated, and all the other people employed at the upper middle class and below need pay increases relative to the minimum wage increase.

 

The fact is that while wages have roughly doubled in the past 40 years, the costs of living have more than quadrupled. To say that workers at the minimum wage are the problem is so wrong when you see individuals being paid millions a year to simply represent a company. The problem isn't a 15$ minimum wage, the problem is overpaid CEOs, sales people, owners etc. This massive gap in the standard of living between wealthy and poor is not by any stretch of the imagination right and that's where the real issue lies. We could as a country easily support a $15 minimum wage if those funds came from wealthy individuals with hyper inflated salaries that allow them to live well above their actual contribution toward society.



JRPGfan on 24 May 2016
Netyaroze said:
Nuvendil said:

Economies need money to function.  You couldn't replace everyone but middle managers and CEOs with robots, the end result would be *no customers* and therefore no *business*

 You could give everyone a base sallary, once robots are sufficently advanced and can produce themselfs there is really no need for human workers anymore.

You watched too much Startrek, I dont see that happending possible ever.



aLkaLiNE on 24 May 2016
fatslob-:O said:
aLkaLiNE said:

I understand the necessity for automated duties such as car manufacturing plants where precision and uniformity are crucial to the product, but we NEED to retain as many jobs as possible, especially at the entry level. For those of us who have made it past entry level jobs it's not as big a deal but we are setting up our children for a society where it's even harder to break past the poverty line. I refuse to admit this was inevitable, this is an extremely sad use of how we apply technology to our daily lives.

No worries, automation will create new jobs too. Someone will have to repair malfunctioning robots so instead of flipping burgers or being a retail clerk the new entry level job is a local robot repairman ... 

Better yet study STEM subjects like I am since they'll have the best wage and job growth too! 

No, you should still be worried - instead of having 15 employees on shift, you have two operators on shift running the machines. The problem being that A) this will become a specialized job requiring further education beyond high school, thus creating a new cycle of debt for those individuals, and B) this will, again, be a massive blow to those at the entry level who are scrambling for a job that are undereducated.

 

Im telling you guys right now point blank, this will only create more homeless and poverty in America and it is NOT the right solution.

 

 

edit - we are allowing our freedom to be taken by those with the power to do so. I fear a world without the sun



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JRPGfan on 24 May 2016
fatslob-:O said:
aLkaLiNE said:

I understand the necessity for automated duties such as car manufacturing plants where precision and uniformity are crucial to the product, but we NEED to retain as many jobs as possible, especially at the entry level. For those of us who have made it past entry level jobs it's not as big a deal but we are setting up our children for a society where it's even harder to break past the poverty line. I refuse to admit this was inevitable, this is an extremely sad use of how we apply technology to our daily lives.

No worries, automation will create new jobs too. Someone will have to repair malfunctioning robots so instead of flipping burgers or being a retail clerk the new entry level job is a local robot repairman ... 

Better yet study STEM subjects like I am since they'll have the best wage and job growth too! 

If robots are that advanced by then, you ll have a maintaince robot that goes around repairing other robots.

At some point, there wont be any job a human will be able to do better than a robot.

 

Long long before then, robots will have wrecked our economy.



crissindahouse on 24 May 2016

McDonald's employees will be replaced by robots
Taxi/Uber drivers will be replaced by autonomous driving cars

We already buy our stuff online and get our stuff from almost fully automated warehouses per online banking
Robots already replaced many humans in the manufacturing industry

Let's see how long it takes until only artists are still humans and even architects or programmers will be replaced by machines lol.



fatslob-:O on 24 May 2016
aLkaLiNE said:

No, you should still be worried - instead of having 15 employees on shift, you have two operators on shift running the machines. The problem being that A) this will become a specialized job requiring further education beyond high school, thus creating a new cycle of debt for those individuals, and B) this will, again, be a massive blow to those at the entry level who are scrambling for a job that are undereducated.

 

Im telling you guys right now point blank, this will only create more homeless and poverty in Americs and it is NOT the right solution.

Then we just need in increase the education standards!

It's not that hard and I hope that one day higher education conformance will come from having potentially cheaper online schools too ...

The world is changing and we NEED higher IQ people or people with good skills ...

JRPGfan said:

If robots are that advanced by then, you ll have a maintaince robot that goes around repairing other robots.

At some point, there wont be any job a human will be able to do better than a robot.

 

Long long before then, robots will have wrecked our economy.

Robots will never become advanced enough to do R&D, that's where humans are at their safest ... 

You talk like as if automation was a bad thing when the vast majority of our lives depend on automation ...



Cobretti2 on 24 May 2016

As someone who has been in American and see how cheap everything is compared to Australia and our minimum wage being $17.29AUD (approx $12.50USD), I support a minimum wage increase in the US to $9USD.



 

 

Goatseye on 24 May 2016
fatslob-:O said:
aLkaLiNE said:

I understand the necessity for automated duties such as car manufacturing plants where precision and uniformity are crucial to the product, but we NEED to retain as many jobs as possible, especially at the entry level. For those of us who have made it past entry level jobs it's not as big a deal but we are setting up our children for a society where it's even harder to break past the poverty line. I refuse to admit this was inevitable, this is an extremely sad use of how we apply technology to our daily lives.

No worries, automation will create new jobs too. Someone will have to repair malfunctioning robots so instead of flipping burgers or being a retail clerk the new entry level job is a local robot repairman ... 

Better yet study STEM subjects like I am since they'll have the best wage and job growth too! 

Not for long when everyone and their mom is a robot repairman and you'll fight for a meager above the water pay rate.