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barneystinson69 said:
VGPolyglot said:

So your argument seems to be that since the Middle Eastern countries don't accept any refugees, neither should we? I thought that we were supposed to be championed as human rights advocators and the lands of opportunity?

Oh really? Should we also open our doors to anyone and not worry about the consequences at all? Not everything can just be based on emotion, you need logic. Thats what I hate about modern politics, EVERYTHING is about emotion. Its not realistic to allow millions in, when millions are always waiting. The reason this crisis started is because of Germany and their policy of "open gates". Otherwise, we wouldn't see 1000s of people drowning trying to illegally enter Europe.

I love how you defend America as Mr.perfect country, but then counterattack his criticism with "we can't use our emotions". I'd have to say that you and others have used their emotions concerning the situation. Of course, it's not as though you're a bad person for doing so. This situation does cause a lot of people to feel irritated at themselves and others.

 

Also, if you're going to bash on the Middle East, go ahead, I don't care. But don't go around calling Middle Easterners barbarians when the West has a history of screwing around with the area.

 

I'd have to say that the crisis started way before Germany's open door policy. It was probably around the end of WWI when all of this chaos began to occur. Add in with Israel being randomly inserted, western countries interfering in the Middle East for no reason, destabilizing countries, overthrowing governments, the list goes on. I mean, it's as though problems were trying to be made in the first place.

I have nothing wrong with Israel, but when you randomly put people in a place and kick out others, that isn't going to cope well with others. And as for the Middle East, I have to say that you're being a bit impetuous to believe they're the cause for all of this. Bad judgement from external areas contributed to the situation to consider them a major role in all these issues. Add in the extremists who took advantage and spread like rats, and you've now got a nearly uncontrollable situation.

 

I'm sure the entire world is biting their fingers, waiting to see how this will play out. The entire Middle East is like a playground to see how living in a Fallout-like world will be like. Gaza and Syria will be inhabitable by...say, 2025 if they're lucky(?) 

What do you think is a valid solution though? Do we simply send them back and allow them to die? Or do we do something else? I don't think any of your posts explained clearly what your ideas are.



 

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starcraft said:
Guys there is a lot of bullshit in this thread.

We all have an opinion, and mods try to take it easy on political threads. But this is the first and last warning, next person to get personal will be moderated accordingly.

I don't see much bullshit at all. In fact, the conversation seems to be flowing by well. People are making conversations about the topic and not going off-topic



 

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Aura7541 said:

Ah, so give other countries a free pass. That's definitely a great idea... Everyone is responsible, especially with Saudi Arabia's Wahabbism.

And let's look at what the Iron Curtain is:

"The Iron Curtain formed the imaginary boundary dividing Europe into two separate areas from the end of World War II in 1945 until the end of the Cold War in 1991. The term symbolized efforts by the Soviet Union to block itself and its satellite states from open contact with the West and non-Soviet-controlled areas."

Yeah... false equivalence. The fact you did not put in the effort to research the background means you're more into spouting buzzwords than providing actual arguments. Let me guess, you're planning on using the word 'Nazi' next?

I know what the Iron curtain is smartass. And it's not because my comparison doesn't fit 100% that it isn't just that: a comparison.

And I stand by it. And really, Wahabbism? If you don't realize at this point that the origins of this conflict are economic/political in nature rather than religious. Religion is a reason for people in the conflict to engage each other, but it's not THE problem in the region.



barneystinson69 said:

That's my point, NATIONAL culture. Every European state has that now. But do you think with millions of immigrants with different value's coming in, that'll remain the same? Look at how many places don't even say "merry christmas" because they may offend someone. I still believe in such value's, but many don't seem to bother anymore. The reason we have modern society is because of nationalism. Otherwise, we'd still be split into fuedal states that would be run by kings and going nowhere.

National culture? What is this? The 19th century? Do you still believe in imagined communities?

A national culture is something state tried to reach in the 19th century to use to mobilize their citizens. It's a pure fallacy the day of today. Take for example Belgium. No one says we have one national culture, but 2, a flemish and a walloon. But that's simply not true. There is such a large diversity between every part  and city of Belgium that our national culture is diversity. That's not always an easy thing, but it has always been this way for the crossroads of Europe. There are no homogenous societies in the EU anymore.



Send them to Russia, look at all that unused land they have.



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WolfpackN64 said:
Aura7541 said:

Ah, so give other countries a free pass. That's definitely a great idea... Everyone is responsible, especially with Saudi Arabia's Wahabbism.

And let's look at what the Iron Curtain is:

"The Iron Curtain formed the imaginary boundary dividing Europe into two separate areas from the end of World War II in 1945 until the end of the Cold War in 1991. The term symbolized efforts by the Soviet Union to block itself and its satellite states from open contact with the West and non-Soviet-controlled areas."

Yeah... false equivalence. The fact you did not put in the effort to research the background means you're more into spouting buzzwords than providing actual arguments. Let me guess, you're planning on using the word 'Nazi' next?

I know what the Iron curtain is smartass. And it's not because my comparison doesn't fit 100% that it isn't just that: a comparison.

And I stand by it. And really, Wahabbism? If you don't realize at this point that the origins of this conflict are economic/political in nature rather than religious. Religion is a reason for people in the conflict to engage each other, but it's not THE problem in the region.

You quite obviously dont. The Iron Curtain kept people IN, the fences on the balkans are made to keep people out. Its the exact opposite, dont let facts get in the way of your imaginary worldview though. STanding by it after proven wrong? I wouldnt expect anything less. You are just ignoring reality because it doesnt fit your world view. Its called confirmation bias.

Economic/political is extremely vague, and why is this the problem and not religion. Just saying so is not an argument. Its just more confirmation bias. Quite franktly you dont seem to know anything about Islam at all, other than that it is not the cause(again confirmation bias). 



wartaal said:

 

You quite obviously dont. The Iron Curtain kept people IN, the fences on the balkans are made to keep people out. Its the exact opposite, dont let facts get in the way of your imaginary worldview though. STanding by it after proven wrong? I wouldnt expect anything less. You are just ignoring reality because it doesnt fit your world view. Its called confirmation bias.

Economic/political is extremely vague, and why is this the problem and not religion. Just saying so is not an argument. Its just more confirmation bias. Quite franktly you dont seem to know anything about Islam at all, other than that it is not the cause(again confirmation bias). 

Confirmation bias, confirmation bias, confirmation bias,... Is repeating word sentences which you probably don't fully understand the only thing you people can do? I know the Iron Curtain was used to keep people in. It was not in line with the treaty of Human Rights. But the current Iron Curtain, made to keep people out is also in violation of the Human Rights treaty, and it is build by people who should know that building giant iron fences NEVER amounts to something good. So once again, my comparison holds.

Economic/political reasons then. It's quite simple really. Syria and Iraq, both countries with oil reserves, Syria also having a big food producing potential. They're both surrounded by different regional powers (Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia), who are supported by different big powers (NATO countries and the CIS countries). The whole ordeal has turned into a giant geopolitical proxy-war, with in the middle Daesh, which under the guise of Islam, uses terror tactics to constitute their own state out of a weakened Iraq and Syria. The use of such violence, is under normal religious circumstances forbidden (one should not attack people from the Abrahamic relgions, according to the Islam). All religions have such a golden rule, but all religions also violated it (or were used in name, seeingas religions themselves do not have personal character).



WolfpackN64 said:
wartaal said:

 

You quite obviously dont. The Iron Curtain kept people IN, the fences on the balkans are made to keep people out. Its the exact opposite, dont let facts get in the way of your imaginary worldview though. STanding by it after proven wrong? I wouldnt expect anything less. You are just ignoring reality because it doesnt fit your world view. Its called confirmation bias.

Economic/political is extremely vague, and why is this the problem and not religion. Just saying so is not an argument. Its just more confirmation bias. Quite franktly you dont seem to know anything about Islam at all, other than that it is not the cause(again confirmation bias). 

Confirmation bias, confirmation bias, confirmation bias,... Is repeating word sentences which you probably don't fully understand the only thing you people can do? I know the Iron Curtain was used to keep people in. It was not in line with the treaty of Human Rights. But the current Iron Curtain, made to keep people out is also in violation of the Human Rights treaty, and it is build by people who should know that building giant iron fences NEVER amounts to something good. So once again, my comparison holds.

Economic/political reasons then. It's quite simple really. Syria and Iraq, both countries with oil reserves, Syria also having a big food producing potential. They're both surrounded by different regional powers (Iran, Turkey, Saudi Arabia), who are supported by different big powers (NATO countries and the CIS countries). The whole ordeal has turned into a giant geopolitical proxy-war, with in the middle Daesh, which under the guise of Islam, uses terror tactics to constitute their own state out of a weakened Iraq and Syria. The use of such violence, is under normal religious circumstances forbidden (one should not attack people from the Abrahamic relgions, according to the Islam). All religions have such a golden rule, but all religions also violated it (or were used in name, seeingas religions themselves do not have personal character).

So if anything is not in line with human rights treaty it is comparable? Sure lets compare some hastily thown up fences with a 46 year social/economical isolation of eastern europe. Your comparison is horrible. 

Islam has no Golden Rule, golden rules apply to anyone. Not just jews/christians. And  jews and christians are treated no different than anyone else, its convert or die. The only exception is the Jizya, a tax made specifically to extort money from conquered jews/christians. Also they should feel humiliated and submitted. AFter they have no more money all their priviliges(lol,paying money to not get killed is actually a privilige in Islam) dissapear.

Violence is condoned throughout the entire QU'ran. Muhameds is the perfect example of mankind. He was a pedophile, rapist, murderer, rascist and sadist. His interpretation is the ONLY interpretation. Guess what that means.

It means Pedophaelia, rape, murder, rascism and sadism is rampant throughout the muslim world(which it is). Now tell me what does economics/politics have to do with this? As an added bonus both muhamed and the QU'ran condone the opression of women and also Female genital mutilation. Oh and leaving Islam is punished by death. Same goes for being gay and adultery.

And Islam does not mean peace, it means submission. Comparing Islam to any other religion is laughable, what other religion mutilates little girls genitals and throws battery acid in their face if they want to go to school? What other religion performs 3 deadly attacks a day on average?

You dont even understand Islam is a political ideology. It wants to impose Sharia on the entire world, as it has been doing  for 1400 years now. 

PLease stop defending this ideology, for someone who is so concerned with Human Rights the hypocrisy is through the roof.



wartaal said:

So if anything is not in line with human rights treaty it is comparable? Sure lets compare some hastily thown up fences with a 46 year social/economical isolation of eastern europe. Your comparison is horrible. 

Islam has no Golden Rule, golden rules apply to anyone. Not just jews/christians. And  jews and christians are treated no different than anyone else, its convert or die. The only exception is the Jizya, a tax made specifically to extort money from conquered jews/christians. Also they should feel humiliated and submitted. AFter they have no more money all their priviliges(lol,paying money to not get killed is actually a privilige in Islam) dissapear.

Violence is condoned throughout the entire QU'ran. Muhameds is the perfect example of mankind. He was a pedophile, rapist, murderer, rascist and sadist. His interpretation is the ONLY interpretation. Guess what that means.

It means Pedophaelia, rape, murder, rascism and sadism is rampant throughout the muslim world(which it is). Now tell me what does economics/politics have to do with this? As an added bonus both muhamed and the QU'ran condone the opression of women and also Female genital mutilation. Oh and leaving Islam is punished by death. Same goes for being gay and adultery.

And Islam does not mean peace, it means submission. Comparing Islam to any other religion is laughable, what other religion mutilates little girls genitals and throws battery acid in their face if they want to go to school? What other religion performs 3 deadly attacks a day on average?

You dont even understand Islam is a political ideology. It wants to impose Sharia on the entire world, as it has been doing  for 1400 years now. 

PLease stop defending this ideology, for someone who is so concerned with Human Rights the hypocrisy is through the roof.

Ok, thank you confirming for what a biased racist you are.

Go sit in a corner and think about what you wrote.

Come back when you have something meaningful to say.



Islam is not a race, sorry.
And you are confirming what everyone already knew, when having no arguments you just start calling them a rascist.