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barneystinson69 on 24 May 2016
binary solo said:
The solution is a fundamental transformation of the world's socio-economic and political systems. But it's going to take a crisis of much greater proportions than the 2007/8 GFC and this current refugee problem to catalyse such a transformation.

Perhaps when half of Florida is underwater from sea level rise some of the more rich and powerful nations might start to think things need to change.

What do you mean? The developed world is already pushing to solve these problems. Even countries like China are starting to realize that its going to need to reduce emissions. 



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hershel_layton on 24 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
hershel_layton said:

I know for sure this situation isn't entirely the Middle East's fault(or the West's). To claim all responsibility on one group of people is not only irrational, but a naive statement as well.

Why? Europe has also contributed more than enough to people who're little more than economic migrants. Sorry, but 1.5 milion is more than enough.

Remember, I didn't make this thread with any viewpoint I wish to enforce. Rather, I'm here to see how the thread will unfold and potentially learn a thing or two.

 

If Europe stops accepting refugees, I can't comment on that. What I will comment on is Saudi Arabia refusing to accept any refugees. No offense, but you'd expect an islamic country to accept refugees from another islamic country, right?



 

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hershel_layton on 24 May 2016
Aura7541 said:
WolfpackN64 said:

Oh please. If you don't know how much Saudi-Arabia is involved in causing the crisis (with our weapons)... they sure aren't willing to solve it. It's easy to flee from responsability, it's harder to take it. Building walls and shouting populist rethoric is easy when you don't come from a warzone.

And secondly. Is there a big iron fence? Yes, even multiple. I don't see how that can be a false comparison.

Ah, so give other countries a free pass. That's definitely a great idea... Everyone is responsible, especially with Saudi Arabia's Wahabbism.

And let's look at what the Iron Curtain is:

"The Iron Curtain formed the imaginary boundary dividing Europe into two separate areas from the end of World War II in 1945 until the end of the Cold War in 1991. The term symbolized efforts by the Soviet Union to block itself and its satellite states from open contact with the West and non-Soviet-controlled areas."

Yeah... false equivalence. The fact you did not put in the effort to research the background means you're more into spouting buzzwords than providing actual arguments. Let me guess, you're planning on using the word 'Nazi' next?

Isn't it obvious that Saudi Arabia was partly responsible? I don't see Wolfpack claiming they're not



 

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VGPolyglot on 24 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:

Force the middle east to deal with the problem. They're the ones who caused this mess, and now they should fix it! It isn't the west's responsibility to clean the world up!

The United States went into Iraq and destabilized the country in the first place. They also supported the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war, who would later end up being their main enemy. They also support Saudi Arabia, a country that is known for it's Islamist extremism.



barneystinson69 on 24 May 2016
VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

Force the middle east to deal with the problem. They're the ones who caused this mess, and now they should fix it! It isn't the west's responsibility to clean the world up!

The United States went into Iraq and destabilized the country in the first place. They also supported the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war, who would later end up being their main enemy. They also support Saudi Arabia, a country that is known for it's Islamist extremism.

Once again, the United States isn't the west. You don't see millions of refugee's going into America, they're going to Europe instead. And many have made it clear they're there for money. So sorry, but if you aren't facing death and already have a safe place to be, you aren't a refugee.



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VGPolyglot on 24 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
VGPolyglot said:

The United States went into Iraq and destabilized the country in the first place. They also supported the Mujahideen during the Soviet-Afghan war, who would later end up being their main enemy. They also support Saudi Arabia, a country that is known for it's Islamist extremism.

Once again, the United States isn't the west. You don't see millions of refugee's going into America, they're going to Europe instead. And many have made it clear they're there for money. So sorry, but if you aren't facing death and already have a safe place to be, you aren't a refugee.

The United Kingdom also went to war in Iraq, they're part of Europe. Also, I guess you haven't seen the refugee camps that exist: in Turkey there is not enough food and water for the refugees, and there are frequent cases of sexual abuse. Therefore, even if they leave Syria they still are in a severe crisis, which is why many of them continue west.



barneystinson69 on 24 May 2016
VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

Once again, the United States isn't the west. You don't see millions of refugee's going into America, they're going to Europe instead. And many have made it clear they're there for money. So sorry, but if you aren't facing death and already have a safe place to be, you aren't a refugee.

The United Kingdom also went to war in Iraq, they're part of Europe. Also, I guess you haven't seen the refugee camps that exist: in Turkey there is not enough food and water for the refugees, and there are frequent cases of sexual abuse. Therefore, even if they leave Syria they still are in a severe crisis, which is why many of them continue west.

Alright, but does Germany and France and Italy and all the other EU state's not considered the west? How about Canada which has a leader who could care less about Canadian's, and more about his image (bringing in 60,000 refugee's in a year for billions of dollars). And Europe has given Turkey 6 billion to deal with the problem, so why should they still take in refugee's? The middle east needs to do more than just sit on their thumb and make Europe do it. Like it or not, integration has been piss poor so far, and bringing in more only worsens the problem.



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VGPolyglot on 24 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
VGPolyglot said:

The United Kingdom also went to war in Iraq, they're part of Europe. Also, I guess you haven't seen the refugee camps that exist: in Turkey there is not enough food and water for the refugees, and there are frequent cases of sexual abuse. Therefore, even if they leave Syria they still are in a severe crisis, which is why many of them continue west.

Alright, but does Germany and France and Italy and all the other EU state's not considered the west? How about Canada which has a leader who could care less about Canadian's, and more about his image (bringing in 60,000 refugee's in a year for billions of dollars). And Europe has given Turkey 6 billion to deal with the problem, so why should they still take in refugee's? The middle east needs to do more than just sit on their thumb and make Europe do it. Like it or not, integration has been piss poor so far, and bringing in more only worsens the problem.

So your argument seems to be that since the Middle Eastern countries don't accept any refugees, neither should we? I thought that we were supposed to be championed as human rights advocators and the lands of opportunity?



barneystinson69 on 24 May 2016
VGPolyglot said:
barneystinson69 said:

Alright, but does Germany and France and Italy and all the other EU state's not considered the west? How about Canada which has a leader who could care less about Canadian's, and more about his image (bringing in 60,000 refugee's in a year for billions of dollars). And Europe has given Turkey 6 billion to deal with the problem, so why should they still take in refugee's? The middle east needs to do more than just sit on their thumb and make Europe do it. Like it or not, integration has been piss poor so far, and bringing in more only worsens the problem.

So your argument seems to be that since the Middle Eastern countries don't accept any refugees, neither should we? I thought that we were supposed to be championed as human rights advocators and the lands of opportunity?

Oh really? Should we also open our doors to anyone and not worry about the consequences at all? Not everything can just be based on emotion, you need logic. Thats what I hate about modern politics, EVERYTHING is about emotion. Its not realistic to allow millions in, when millions are always waiting. The reason this crisis started is because of Germany and their policy of "open gates". Otherwise, we wouldn't see 1000s of people drowning trying to illegally enter Europe.



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VGPolyglot on 24 May 2016
barneystinson69 said:
VGPolyglot said:

So your argument seems to be that since the Middle Eastern countries don't accept any refugees, neither should we? I thought that we were supposed to be championed as human rights advocators and the lands of opportunity?

Oh really? Should we also open our doors to anyone and not worry about the consequences at all? Not everything can just be based on emotion, you need logic. Thats what I hate about modern politics, EVERYTHING is about emotion. Its not realistic to allow millions in, when millions are always waiting. The reason this crisis started is because of Germany and their policy of "open gates". Otherwise, we wouldn't see 1000s of people drowning trying to illegally enter Europe.

In the type of society we live in? No, but it is not because I don't trust the immigrants: it is mainly because I don't trust the politicians. However, my political beliefs are anarchist communistic, so yes one of my dreams would be to see a world without borders (however in that case there would be a lot less migration in the first place because many would feel safe at home and not obligated to leave). The reason why this crisis exists is because of scapegoating (there were many people in Algeria who were forced to flee to France, and they were able to integrate into society).