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Several months ago, I used to have a definite answer to the refugee crisis- let them in.

Nowadays, I realized this- the answer is clearly not black or white.

 

With over two million Syrian refugees pouring into Europe, there's bound to be issues. Some of the issues are(main points are bolded if you're too bored to read):

1) Too many refugees. With the war still dragging on, there have been over two million documented refugees. With the war having no clear end in site, it's obvious that there are more to come. And, even if the war were to end, they would be sent back to cities of broken buildings and remains.

Europe has struggled due to the costs needed to maintain all the camps and accept such a large number of people. It's obvious that this will take a toll.

I've always wondered why Saudi Arabia, Muslim brothers to the Syrians, won't accept them. Disappointing if you ask me.

 

2) Issues with refugees. Unfortunately, rotten apples exist for everything. Many cases of refugee-linked crimes have been reported on the news.  Obviously, these attacks are condemned, but doing so doesn't make a difference- their idea of a civilization and what not to do(and what to do) has caused problems for many people. Of course, this leads to a domino effect...

 

3) Rise of politically-motivated attacks 

http://www.dw.com/en/rise-in-politically-motivated-violence-in-germany/a-4193690

This article points out that politically motivated attacks from conservatives has skyrocketed. I think it's safe to say that some people have a...erh, more emotional and violent way of disagreeing with the refugees.

 

4) costs

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/the-economics-of-syrian-refugees

This article(made in 2015) provides insight on the costs of handling this crisis. Even if the world doesn't lose much accepting refugees, we realize there's a lot of reasons as to why it's expensive- medical care, housing, food, water, and other life necessities. A gradual 2 million increase in population wouldn't hurt Europe. However, a sudden boom in people who can't do much in the countries they've settled in does indeed pose a problem.

 

5) Nowhere to go

Let's say you want to send the refugees back. Alright, but where to? It seems that now it's flee-or-die for many Syrian refugees, as Syria is in a condition worse than the Philadelphia 76'ers. With no sign of hope for chaos to end, sending them back would practically be a death sentence.

 

6) No solution in sight

As I said, there's no solution. It's not like the Civil War where Confederates are Mr.bad guy and the Union are heroes. In Syria, there are a plethora of groups, with each group having clear reasons for it to not gain power. 

I made comments not too long ago saying Syrians should go back and fight. However, a recent speech I heard concerning the crisis makes me realize it would be redundant- who would they fight? Which side would we support? And if none of the groups are considered "good" by standards, who do we choose to keep Syria in the best condition? 

 

Conclusion: I do not know how to deal with this

Going from a pro-refugee into an "I seriously don't know" allows me to realize one thing- this situation won't go any further is heavy left and right wing groups try to use their solution only. 

A right combination of tactics will allow Syria to recover(even if it doesn't recover the way we hope). 

Then again, I'd like to see any insight on the Syrian refugee crisis. Is there anything I missed? Anything I said that's incorrect?



 

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I always been anti-immigration , atleast from radical countries like syria and the middle east and people who wear birquas or niquabs. im both from sweden and germany. I seen both sides, but i mostly seen the bad sides with mass immigration so i probably see alot more '' stuff''. Its a very difficult situation and the best solution is to help on the spot



1) Stop weapon deliveries to ANY partie involved in the conflict.
2) Force Turkey and Saudi-Arabia to stop any funding going to any party in the regio and track and halt oils shipments by Daesh to bleed them dry.
3) Help develop Rojava (Syrian Kurdistan) economically. They are the most stable factor in the whole ordeal and dispite their region being witheld from industrialization by Assad, it now produces 55% of the Syrian GDP. A lot of Syrians are already fleeing there since it's nearby and relatively safe. The more the region is developed, the more people it will be able to give a good home.
4) Shred the agreement with Turkey, it isn't working. Set up large and decent camps to give people first shelter.
5) Order all border fences in Easter Europe removed. The age of the iron curtain is gone and they're violating not only the Shengen treaty but also the Human Rights accords.
6) Spread the people across the EU and let the EU pay for any initial settling and integration costs.
7) Be humane, but when needed, enforce the law on both sides. There will be no fighting amongst refugees and violence will not be tolerated. But any neo-fascists attacking refugees should be SEVERELY punished. I don't care how popular they get, nazis have no place in Europe.

The EU can easily pay for this. If they have the money for gold-embroidend dinnerware (yes, they invested money in that), they have the money to pay for this crisis. If necessary. Any politician who approved a military intervention in the middle east should pony up his personal fortune.

That's my solution.



97alexk said:

I always been anti-immigration , atleast from radical countries like syria and the middle east and people who wear birquas or niquabs. im both from sweden and germany. I seen both sides, but i mostly seen the bad sides with mass immigration so i probably see alot more '' stuff''. Its a very difficult situation and the best solution is to help on the spot

Syria is/was one of the most secular countries in the region - several islamist groups try to rise to power there right now, but only a tiny fraction of the population is following ultra-conservative islam (unlike Saudi-Arabia for example)

 



Let them in. The so-called "refugee crisis" is the symptom of the Actual Crisis---instability in the Middle East. Fix that and the refugee situation resolves itself.

Fleeing one's country as a refugee is a Universal Human Right if you read the UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights. It must be protected.

As for the Actual Crisis, I don't know. Ever since Reagan, America really, really messed up the entire region.



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The first problem is that countries are giving these people so many free handouts that they have a reason to come all that way to places like Switzerland, Germany, England, etc. The second problem is that the borders of the European Union are so open that you just have to claim you are a refugee when in fact the person could be a criminal. The third problem is that they are letting these people get away with breaking the laws. The fourth and most important problem that has spiraled out of control is that people are apologist for these people.

Please note my solutions are not absolutes, but will see an improvement over what is currently being done in places like Europe.

Problem one can be solved by limiting the amount of handouts by going through a system and having requirements.
Problem two can be solved by limiting the amount of people are accepted. Families with full documentation are taken first. Men who are married and have kids are less likely to act out.
Problem three can be solved by deporting those who do break laws. They are visitors, not permanent citizens, and thus should follow the rules of the country. If they don't then they get deported out of the country. This will be hard to distinguish where a person is from, but if someone wants to claim their are a Syrian refugee when they enter the country, then you deport them to Syria.
Problem four can be solved by not standing up for these people and every thing they do wrong. If the refugees want to live in a country they must follow the laws and no one should be apologetic when they go and rape and kill people because it says it in their religion. I am all for freedom of religion as long as it doesn't break the laws of the country. Things like beating your wife in the US is illegal, but when a muslim does it, then they get away with it because they are a minority and it is part of their religion.

Really being strict about who you bring into a country is a good thing because it is easier to adjust to a couple thousand people than a couple million. I don't like bringing up Trump, but his "ban all muslim" isn't really a ban on all muslims. It is a ban on free entry. If you want to enter the country you need to prove that you are going to be a productive member of society. Like the south border wall, it isn't supposed to stop people from coming over illegally, but slow them down so the country can adjust to the amount of people coming in. If we can slow down the migration of immigrants by at least 200% and filter the ones that can be counted to blend in with society and follow the rules, then the effect of this crisis would have not spiraled out of control.



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Vrruumm said:
The first problem is that countries are giving these people so many free handouts that they have a reason to come all that way to places like Switzerland, Germany, England, etc. The second problem is that the borders of the European Union are so open that you just have to claim you are a refugee when in fact the person could be a criminal. The third problem is that they are letting these people get away with breaking the laws. The fourth and most important problem that has spiraled out of control is that people are apologist for these people.

1) It's not "handouts" when you get basic means to live from the state you enter in. It's just human decency.

2) Have you seen the border? It's the Iron curtain X3 for these people to get through.

3) No they don't. Everyone is equal before the law.

4) No, we stop people from stigmatising an entire ethnicity for the behavior of  a few (and that is if the violation did actually happen, because there are a lot more sensationalist news feeds that turn out to be wrong than there are actual crimes (these also happen of course)).



Force the middle east to deal with the problem. They're the ones who caused this mess, and now they should fix it! It isn't the west's responsibility to clean the world up!



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barneystinson69 said:

Force the middle east to deal with the problem. They're the ones who caused this mess, and now they should fix it! It isn't the west's responsibility to clean the world up!

Can you, for once, not utter that bullshit again? We all know the NATO countries do have responsability for the situation in the middle east. I'm willing to drag this out again.



its already solved thanks to the balkan countries