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Michelasso on 23 May 2016
Mazzy said:
Once the formalities of "Congrats Naughty Dog xDD :DDD" and other nonsense was out of the way, I noticed that many NeoGAF members share the sentiment that sales are a bit lower than expected or, dare I say, disappointing, and these are not trolls or juniors, these are sales age regulars.

Not sure why everybody is so staunchly opposed to the notion that Uncharted 4 may have underperformed. Is it so strange to think that perhaps a PlayStation exclusive could outperform an Xbox exclusive like Halo or Gears? Despite the massive success of the console and Sony's best efforts, Uncharted 4 still failed to perform above or on par with either of these games, or many of the multiplatform games of this gen and last.

So 2.7 ml sold through (about $160 ml in sales) in one week for a console exclusive now is underperforming. Why? because some "senior" whatever at NeoGAF said so. All right then, keep smoking that stuff.



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Livewire on 23 May 2016

Wow!!! Congrats Naughty Dog xDD :DDD



Mazzy on 23 May 2016
aLkaLiNE said:
Mazzy said:

This has been the case since around January. He also posted a graph going with it showing that a huge portion of BO3 software sales are PS4 bundles (and considering Xbox One BO3 sales were included in the chart, a great majority of BO3 sales on PS4 came from bundles in those months in US)

I never said it was a bad decision, and it's a smart business decision, as is padding Uncharted 4 numbers a smart business decision. It's a win-win for Sony which is why I believe they will do it. 

Speaking of which, my copy should be arriving today, will have to see how it is.  

So then, why did you not originally mention that this data pertains only to the US in the original post I quoted, when its commonly known that PlayStation as a worldwide brand draws the majority of its sales from other parts of the world? 

 

Id also like to ask for your PSN ID. I hope you'll accept my friend request.

No, that was my mistake, I should have said NPD (although I believe BO3 is bundled in many other regions as well). But really my point was not all the specifics and data about the bundle, but rather about how it skews comparisons since bundles comprise a good portion of sales. 

And no I don't add people on PSN. 



think-man on 23 May 2016

Im my prediction thread someone said around 1 million fw lolololol



 

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JRPGfan on 23 May 2016
Michelasso said:
Mazzy said:
Once the formalities of "Congrats Naughty Dog xDD :DDD" and other nonsense was out of the way, I noticed that many NeoGAF members share the sentiment that sales are a bit lower than expected or, dare I say, disappointing, and these are not trolls or juniors, these are sales age regulars.

Not sure why everybody is so staunchly opposed to the notion that Uncharted 4 may have underperformed. Is it so strange to think that perhaps a PlayStation exclusive could outperform an Xbox exclusive like Halo or Gears? Despite the massive success of the console and Sony's best efforts, Uncharted 4 still failed to perform above or on par with either of these games, or many of the multiplatform games of this gen and last.

So 2.7 ml sold through (about $160 ml in sales) in one week for a console exclusive now is underperforming. Why? because some "senior" whatever at NeoGAF said so. All right then, keep smoking that stuff.

Because of the Libertalia Collector's Edition & Special editions.. the first week avg sales price was probably higher than 60$.

So it would be more than $ 162ml from sales.



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Namiirei on 23 May 2016
Mazzy said:
Once the formalities of "Congrats Naughty Dog xDD :DDD" and other nonsense was out of the way, I noticed that many NeoGAF members share the sentiment that sales are a bit lower than expected or, dare I say, disappointing, and these are not trolls or juniors, these are sales age regulars.

Not sure why everybody is so staunchly opposed to the notion that Uncharted 4 may have underperformed. Is it so strange to think that perhaps a PlayStation exclusive could outperform an Xbox exclusive like Halo or Gears? Despite the massive success of the console and Sony's best efforts, Uncharted 4 still failed to perform above or on par with either of these games, or many of the multiplatform games of this gen and last.

8/10 for the joke.



Carl on 23 May 2016
Mazzy said:

I don't know what I was expecting, I'd have to see the budget of the game. And I also believe the legs are very important, but overall I think LTD of 12-15m for this type of game would be good assuming no excessive bundling or the price being slashed excessively, which would change this a bit.

You're expecting 12 to 15 Million without excessive bundling and pricecuts?

That explains everything. Good luck with that.



                            

TheBlackNaruto on 23 May 2016
Mazzy said:
Carl2291 said:

We have estimations from reliable sources, leaks and numbers from official sources (NPD, gfk, MC). Estimations that have been put forward to you in this very thread, with direct comparisons showing that Uncharted 4 is coming out on top by a clear distance. We know that Naughty Dog as a team has increased drastically in size since they expanded to 2 teams, and we know that ND have a project in the works for the last ~12 Months at least, which tells us that the entire ~300 person team was not working on Uncharted 4 for the full dev cycle.

All this has already been posted to you and explained in detail.

If you aren't happy with the 2.7 Million units in one week then what were you expecting from Uncharted 4, considering that we know this is already by far the best launch that Naughty Dog has ever had?

We have an amalgamation of data with shipped vs. sold and estimations vs. actual numbers over different time periods. I don't think that is very conducive to discussing whether sales met expectations. And again, Uncharted 4's legs and the budget are major factors in this as well.

It's also likely that the 170 person team was split between UC3 and TLoU unless you believe TLoU was made in only 1.5 years. Both games had split teams. Difference was a 300 person team being split vs. a 170 person team being split.

I don't know what I was expecting, I'd have to see the budget of the game. And I also believe the legs are very important, but overall I think LTD of 12-15m for this type of game would be good assuming no excessive bundling or the price being slashed excessively, which would change this a bit.

It's easy to say UC4 outperformed UC3 or TLoU, but when you see TLoU legs, it seems they will end up very close to each other LTD, which imo is not much of a success.

I know I have tried to leave this alone but tha statement kind fo stood out for me...if you don't even know what you were expecting then how can you argue that the game didn't meet expectations AND why? I mean it just doesn't make any sense at all to be honest.

Also your first paragraph we have VERY reliable data for sales regarding UC2,3 4 and TLOU so that's why the comparissions have been made. And from the ACTUAL DATA we have all of your claims have been disputed and you are hanging on to the Biggest marketing in Playstation history, unknown budget and assumptions on the team sizes and saying it did not meet expectations. So hard data suggestions that it did amazing so far. 

And again LT sales we will see later on but AS OF NOW with the HARD DATA(not assumptions and guess work) that we have it has done AMAZING...why not just leave it at that? Because nothing you have not provided any DATA that suggest anything different. Assumptions are one thing IF BACKED UP BY DATA...but you have given no data at all. You say you don't know it at all because only Sony knows all that other stuff you are guessing on. So I guess I am at a loss as to what you are standing on here. If you gave some data that contradicts everything that we knew I am sure you would not be getting the flack that you are getting. I don't know man....it jsut seems off



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Mazzy on 23 May 2016
TheBlackNaruto said:
Mazzy said:

We have an amalgamation of data with shipped vs. sold and estimations vs. actual numbers over different time periods. I don't think that is very conducive to discussing whether sales met expectations. And again, Uncharted 4's legs and the budget are major factors in this as well.

It's also likely that the 170 person team was split between UC3 and TLoU unless you believe TLoU was made in only 1.5 years. Both games had split teams. Difference was a 300 person team being split vs. a 170 person team being split.

I don't know what I was expecting, I'd have to see the budget of the game. And I also believe the legs are very important, but overall I think LTD of 12-15m for this type of game would be good assuming no excessive bundling or the price being slashed excessively, which would change this a bit.

It's easy to say UC4 outperformed UC3 or TLoU, but when you see TLoU legs, it seems they will end up very close to each other LTD, which imo is not much of a success.

I know I have tried to leave this alone but tha statement kind fo stood out for me...if you don't even know what you were expecting then how can you argue that the game didn't meet expectations AND why? I mean it just doesn't make any sense at all to be honest.

Also your first paragraph we have VERY reliable data for sales regarding UC2,3 4 and TLOU so that's why the comparissions have been made. And from the ACTUAL DATA we have all of your claims have been disputed and you are hanging on to the Biggest marketing in Playstation history, unknown budget and assumptions on the team sizes and saying it did not meet expectations. So hard data suggestions that it did amazing so far. 

And again LT sales we will see later on but AS OF NOW with the HARD DATA(not assumptions and guess work) that we have it has done AMAZING...why not just leave it at that? Because nothing you have not provided any DATA that suggest anything different. Assumptions are one thing IF BACKED UP BY DATA...but you have given no data at all. You say you don't know it at all because only Sony knows all that other stuff you are guessing on. So I guess I am at a loss as to what you are standing on here. If you gave some data that contradicts everything that we knew I am sure you would not be getting the flack that you are getting. I don't know man....it jsut seems off

Did you miss the very next sentence? I said 12-15m LTD. I meant I didn't want to put expectations for first week because first week sales can comprise a large range of LTD sales total of anywhere from <10%-50%. I do think in Uncharted 4's case that it will be a bit frontloaded simply due to the nature of the game (heavy marketing and fourth game in popular series).

I'd like to see how the legs fare, it's already down 78% from last week in UK. And I don't believe we have global first week sold-through for UC2, UC3. and TLoU but correct me if I'm wrong.

About the only useful data I've seen is 3.4m global sold-through in three weeks by TLoU. And we can't compare that to week one of Uncharted 4.



TheBlackNaruto on 23 May 2016
Mazzy said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

I know I have tried to leave this alone but tha statement kind fo stood out for me...if you don't even know what you were expecting then how can you argue that the game didn't meet expectations AND why? I mean it just doesn't make any sense at all to be honest.

Also your first paragraph we have VERY reliable data for sales regarding UC2,3 4 and TLOU so that's why the comparissions have been made. And from the ACTUAL DATA we have all of your claims have been disputed and you are hanging on to the Biggest marketing in Playstation history, unknown budget and assumptions on the team sizes and saying it did not meet expectations. So hard data suggestions that it did amazing so far. 

And again LT sales we will see later on but AS OF NOW with the HARD DATA(not assumptions and guess work) that we have it has done AMAZING...why not just leave it at that? Because nothing you have not provided any DATA that suggest anything different. Assumptions are one thing IF BACKED UP BY DATA...but you have given no data at all. You say you don't know it at all because only Sony knows all that other stuff you are guessing on. So I guess I am at a loss as to what you are standing on here. If you gave some data that contradicts everything that we knew I am sure you would not be getting the flack that you are getting. I don't know man....it jsut seems off

Did you miss the very next sentence? I said 12-15m LTD. I meant I didn't want to put expectations for first week because first week sales can comprise a large range of LTD sales total of anywhere from <10%-50%. I do think in Uncharted 4's case that it will be a bit frontloaded simply due to the nature of the game (heavy marketing and fourth game in popular series).

I'd like to see how the legs fare, it's already down 78% from last week in UK. And I don't believe we have global first week sold-through for UC2, UC3. and TLoU but correct me if I'm wrong.

About the only useful data I've seen is 3.4m global sold-through in three weeks by TLoU. And we can't compare that to week one of Uncharted 4.

I literally said LT we will have to see BUT AS OF NOW it did amazing lol. So your 12-15 million we have a long time before that happens...so again not sure what you arguing here...if you had no expectations for first week sales then what are you discussing? Why are you debating? You had no expectations at all but before the numbers came out you claimed you felt it didn't meet expectations. Now that we have numbers you didn't have expectations and just want to see what it does LT. So what are you shooting for? AS OF NOW sales are amazing which is what people have been saying but you have been disagreeing and saying it didn't meet expectations. You say not yours but Sonys yet you don't know Sonys so why even bring that up? People have asked you for data to back your claims and you provide none. I mean I don't get it man.

Also we have reliable data right here on this site for UC2, UC3 and TLOU...we have had many NPDs with data given, then we have the weekly UK charts that give data...companies have released data on all 3 of those games since release and the data that is out if very reliable. If you have been on GAF or here for as long as you state then you would know this especially if you are a big sales person. So it is easy to compare the games. Not sure what more you want



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