Psychotic said:
Scisca said:
We are different than you. While we value our independence and sovereignity, you welcome every single invader with arms wide open. Russians come? We love you Mother Russia! Germans come? Herzlich willkommen! We have a very different mentality
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You probably need to read a history book, mate
While *I personally* would indeed do what you say, my compatriots seem to be (and have been historically) nationalist enough to sacrifice their lives to defend this piece of dirt...
Scisca said:
Still, we're not paranoid. We have two of our neighbours fighting a war, it's only natural we're gearing up. Moreover, Poland is stepping up and starts to challenge Russia in the region in general. The whole V4 Group cooperation - we are stating to turn our ABC strategy into life. This is our natural role as the second largest nation in the region, we want to be the leaders of Central Europe. We know that in order to be able to truely challenge Russia, we need to have an army that even they have to respect. That's why we're increasing the spendings on army, we plan to increase the number of soldiers by 50% in the upcoming years and we've started training our Civil Guard - a couple hundred thousands of armed people trained in the use of firearms, with knowledge of tactics, knowing how to support the regular army and how to use guerilla tactics. We're also doing our uttmost in trying to get American troops to Poland.
We are gearing up, but then again - we're not living in the safest of times and we'd rather be safe than sorry. Instead of relying on a piece of paper and begging for American help, we want to be able to fend for ourselves. We still need a couple of years to achieve this point, I hope we'll have that time.
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Okay... maybe I spoke too soon. I guess it's not about the Polish. Maybe it's because *you* are a bit naive, right?
Poland challenging Russia in the region? Haha.
We want to be leaders of Central Europe - Yeah, good luck. Maybe if Germany and Austria magically disappear tomorrow, you might have a shot.
We need to have an army that even they have to respect - You know they could basically steamroll Europe if they wanted to, right? Your *respectable* army would last a month or two if lucky.
Not that any of this matters. Why would Russia want Poland? There's nothing to gain from attacking you. Or Latvia, for that matter.
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Maybe from your perspective, but from our point of view you guys almost never fight We're joking that you're a unique nation, that makes state-of-the-art weapons, yet has never used any of it On the other hand, that saved you Prague, while Warsaw was obliterated
What I've written is not my naive wishful thinking - it's what the Polish government is doing as we speak. This is happening, google translate this and see for yourself:
Expanding army by 50% (Macierewicz is our Minister of Defence):
https://www.wprost.pl/kraj/10004278/Macierewicz-zapowiada-50-procentowy-wzrost-armii-w-ciagu-najblizszych-lat.html
Civil Guard or Territorial Defence (the article says they plan to form 380 companies, armed with machine guns, granade launchers, anti-aircraft cannons, mobile anti-aircraft rocket launchers, anti-tank rockets and anti-tank granades):
http://www.polska-zbrojna.pl/home/articleshow/18942?t=Obrona-terytorialna-to-nie-bedzie-zabawa-w-sluzbe-wojskowa
Yes, Poland is challenging Russia. We have always been doing that. Sometimes we won, sometimes we lost - but we're not affraid to stand up against them. I know on a map it looks ridiculous, but if you realize that most of Russia is baren wasteland and that in Europe there are 80 mil Russians vs 40 mil Poles, this suddenly stops being so ridiculous. V4 Group has 65 mil people and a much more modern economy - why surrender from the start? We see no reason, instead we're trying to use the immigration crysis to help us unite the region (not only V4, but also with Baltics, Croatia, Romania and Bulgaria, possibly Austria - we'll see how the elections there go ). So far so good, but we know there's a lot to be done and we're working on it, our government makes no secret of it. We're building massive gas hubs, so that we can supply gas from outside of Russia to every country in the region (including Ukraine and Belarus, all the way down to Croatia). We are pushing for the contruction of Via Carpatia - the highway connecting pretty much all of Central Europe, from Bulgaria all the way to the Baltics, this would help our economies to cooperate more. We're doing this shit and nobody is hiding it. We want to reshape the region to make countries cooperate more and to be its leaders, we hope to do what Turkey did in the past years.
@Germany and Austria needing to disappear - Austria is a small country. Rich, but small - no way they could challenge what we're doing, if anything - they may join us if Germany pisses them off even more. And Germany? Leaders of Central Europe? Hahaha! Never. They don't understand the region and most importantly - they care more about Russia than they do about Central Europe. They will sacrifice us all every time, that's the way they are. That's the thing - Poland is the natural leader of Central Europe, cause we share the interests of other countries here. Germany has different interests, often contrary to ours (just watch the news ). Obviously, they are doing what they can to stop Poland from doing what we're doing, but I'm optimistic for now You may be laughing now, but you'll see in a few decades, trust me. We are starting to think big.
@Russian army steamrolling Europe - uhmm... no. Actually, hell no. That's a myth. For one - they wouldn't come close to attacking France or UK, cause it would end up in some serious beating. Just look how they are struggling in Ukraine. Their army isn't what it looks like on paper. Our government has a simple idea - we see what Russians are capable of, we feel no need to attack anyone, but we want to be able to defend ourselves. For now we'd still lose badly, but we're basically starting to turn our country into a military bog - organized in a way that would make it impossible for Russians to advance and cost them dearly to try and operate in our country. That's why we're building the whole Territorial Defence with thousands of people who aren't soldiers, but are trained, equipped and organized. We want to get to the point in which Russians know that it's not worth touching us, I hope we still have enough time.
@Why would they want to attack? - Cause they are Russians and that's what they do. Why did they need Crimea and Eastern Ukraine? Why did they need Georgia? For as long as the history of our countries spans, they have always wanted to conquer us, they invaded us 3 times in the 20th century alone. We're not asking the question "why" anymore, we take it for granted and try to be prepared for the future. Heck, Russian army left Poland in 1992 - that's not ancient history!
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