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spurgeonryan said:
What did you enjoy more? Cap or bat.

BvS. Both have much of the same problem but BvS, I felt, had better action and the action sequences were filmed better. I also enjoyed it more because it was "different" compared to CW which was more of the same. And time flew by for BvS compared to CW.

I think both had too many characters and some pointless scenes.

My wife asked me, when we left the theatre "Did you check the reviews prior to us seeing this movie?" and I said "yes, everyone loves it" because she felt it was even worse than I think it (she fell asleep so that says a lot).



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hershel_layton said:
Only superhero movies I would give a serious(and positive) grade would be Dark Night/Dark Night Rises, Deadpool, and a few others I may be forgetting.

Disappointing to hear this movie wasn't that good. Hopefully this was more of a "sneak peek" of the actual war that will occur between the two sides.

The second captain america movie was very good. I had expectations for this to follow the trend.

I personally thought The Dark Knight Rises was TERRIBLE! But that's just me.



I found the movie amazing, with an easy plotline to follow, great pacing and a simple, yet powerful explanation to how terrorism actually emerges from catastrophes. The ending is also brilliantly constructed. The only downside for me was how little screen time Spiderman got, especially considering how good the character was.



bigtakilla said:
hershel_layton said:
Only superhero movies I would give a serious(and positive) grade would be Dark Night/Dark Night Rises, Deadpool, and a few others I may be forgetting.

Disappointing to hear this movie wasn't that good. Hopefully this was more of a "sneak peek" of the actual war that will occur between the two sides.

The second captain america movie was very good. I had expectations for this to follow the trend.

I personally thought The Dark Knight Rises was TERRIBLE! But that's just me.

It was. I could write an essay on how bad DKR was. 



d21lewis said:
bigtakilla said:

I personally thought The Dark Knight Rises was TERRIBLE! But that's just me.

It was. I could write an essay on how bad DKR was. 

All I'm saying is when the main threat is a bomb that destroys a city on a time limit, you ran out of ideas.... All I'm saying...



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Puppyroach said:
I found the movie amazing, with an easy plotline to follow, great pacing and a simple, yet powerful explanation to how terrorism actually emerges from catastrophes. The ending is also brilliantly constructed. The only downside for me was how little screen time Spiderman got, especially considering how good the character was.

Spider-Man was poorly shoehorned into the movie I thought. He felt like he was there to advertise Civil War by being in the trailers and to advertise his movie. He brought nothing else to the movie.



The story is solid, the pacing is awesome (seriously the plot moves along on every scene and there is action every 10 minutes, how can anyone dislike this pacing ?) and everything is tied together nicely. 9/10.

Also Zemos plan is pretty much perfect, specialy because its not realy a plan, he uncover stuff and act upon what he finds out and what is going on in the world, reacting and manipulating the events to make sure the Avengers will go at each others throat. He never had a masterplan to be the evil evil dude whod conquer the world, he is a special agent thats finding dirt on the Avengers and using it to stear up discord.

Lawlight said:
I have some questions, if anyone can help me understand it'll be appreciated:

- How did Zemo frame Winter Soldier?

- How did Cap know where WS was hiding?

- What was Zemo's plan?

- How strong is Cap in this movie? He's stronger than Iron Man and Spider-Man.

 

- He used some tech to mimic his appearence, they comment on this on the movie. He conviniently leaves it together with the real analyst body so that IM would pick on his trail.

- Sharon Carter told him, I mean thats super obvious. She goes "OK we have intel, most of it is noise, but this one piece here seens legit".

- To make the Avengers go at each other, other than that he adapts to what is happening and what he is finding out as he goes along and manipulate the outcomes, quite brilliantly. The only problem his plan realy have is that IM, Cap and bucky arrive at Syberia at the same time, he had no way of knowing that would play out exactly like that. But I don't think itdve mattered, hed shown the video to IM anyway, he was sure he was going to go there, and see what that'd do to him.

-Strong, he has been way stronger than his comic book counterpart from the begining,  his strength here is consistent with the universe. Spidy never had a chance tough, its a 15 years Spidy with no experience x a real veteran whos a master of pretty much every martial art, Spidy couldve out manouvered him and outsmarted him if he was more experience, but 1v1 Cap would always have the uperhand. And on a hand to hand fight Cap could take IM anyday.



 

Lawlight said:
Puppyroach said:
I found the movie amazing, with an easy plotline to follow, great pacing and a simple, yet powerful explanation to how terrorism actually emerges from catastrophes. The ending is also brilliantly constructed. The only downside for me was how little screen time Spiderman got, especially considering how good the character was.

Spider-Man was poorly shoehorned into the movie I thought. He felt like he was there to advertise Civil War by being in the trailers and to advertise his movie. He brought nothing else to the movie.

This is sadly true, and not for the reasons one would think. A well portrait Spiderman, which this is, SHOULD be a great asset to a Civil War movie, adding an element of lightheartedness and comedy in what is overall a very serious, and often dark storyline. Problem is, the whole movie here is pretty much lighthearted, and full of jokes, so it turns Spiderman into just another number to add to their hero clash. That said, it's still a fun geek moment to see him on screen with the other avengers, so I can't complain about his presence.

They do make imo some big mistakes in the way they represent his (hell, all the heroes) powers. You can't show the Winter Soldier as a credible foe to Captain America for an entire movie in the last go around, then in Civil War have Spiderman treat Bucky like a toy (stopping his super arm without any effort whatsoever), and then make Cap look like he can dispatch Spidey with no effort. And there's many examples of these kinds of issues throughout the movie. The airport fight, while fun to watch, is equally frustrating because they clearly put it together thinking more about how the moment to moment action would look, rather than making sure it's coherent with the characters the way they've established them. And this is symptomatic of pretty much the whole of their entire movie universe at this point. Make sure it looks good, make sure it's funny, and remind everyone that more is on the way soon. Everything else is an afterthought.

Basically, I agree with your OP, though I don't judge it quite as harshly as you. I found it to be an entertaining movie, but also came away annoyed and wishing marvel would do things differently.



Angelus said:

This is sadly true, and not for the reasons one would think. A well portrait Spiderman, which this is, SHOULD be a great asset to a Civil War movie, adding an element of lightheartedness and comedy in what is overall a very serious, and often dark storyline. Problem is, the whole movie here is pretty much lighthearted, and full of jokes, so it turns Spiderman into just another number to add to their hero clash. That said, it's still a fun geek moment to see him on screen with the other avengers, so I can't complain about his presence.

They do make imo some big mistakes in the way they represent his (hell, all the heroes) powers. You can't show the Winter Soldier as a credible foe to Captain America for an entire movie in the last go around, then in Civil War have Spiderman treat Bucky like a toy (stopping his super arm without any effort whatsoever), and then make Cap look like he can dispatch Spidey with no effort. And there's many examples of these kinds of issues throughout the movie. The airport fight, while fun to watch, is equally acting because they clearly put it together thinking more about how the moment to moment action would look, rather than making sure it's coherent with the characters the way they've established them. And this is symptomatic of pretty much the whole of their entire lives at this point. Make sure it looks good, make sure it's funny, and remind everyone that more is on the way soon.

Basically, I agree with your OP, though I don't judge it quite as harshly as you. I found it to be an entertaining movie, but also came away annoyed and wishing marvel would do things differently.

The movie has a much darker tone than any other Marvel movie, seriously where are all these jokes ppl talk about. Theres basicaly Spidy being Spidy, Ant-man being Ant-man and Falcon being Falcon,  the Volkswagen beetle scene and basicaly nothing else. Spidy was recruited because Stark needed someone he knew was powerfull enought to handle himself, would the movie work without him ? Ye sure it would. But why keep him out when they got the rights for the character back after all this time. Seing Cap almost killing Stark was so lighthearted, Rodey getting cripled was very light as well, or Wanda blowing 12 people to death due to lack of proper controll over her powers then blaming herself the entire movie while half the team and the ppl of the world all judged her also super light, and the lightest of all is having a villain who is grieving because his whole familly was murdered and so he spends quite a bit of time hearing a recorded voice message from his wife to him.

Non brainwashed version of Buky is way less powerfull than his brainwashed version, this is made very clear on the trilogy, in this movie is absurdly clear. When Zemo braiwashes Bucky he takes down everyone that tries getting in his way, when he is not brainwashed he pretty much looses every 1x1 he gets himself into.



Runa216 said:
hershel_layton said:
Only superhero movies I would give a serious(and positive) grade would be Dark Night/Dark Night Rises, Deadpool, and a few others I may be forgetting.

Disappointing to hear this movie wasn't that good. Hopefully this was more of a "sneak peek" of the actual war that will occur between the two sides.

The second captain america movie was very good. I had expectations for this to follow the trend.

I wouldn't take Lawlight's opinion as gospel, he's been bashing the movie as trash for over a month now and..he apparently has only just seen it now?  We all know what the word for that is. 

Perhaps so, but this is no different than all of the people who bashed (and continue to bash) BvS before it even came out and afterwards. Plenty of people didn't see BvS and would go on the Internet and trash the entire plot, etc. 

At least it appears LL actually saw this movie.