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She's terrible at this. The whole reason he's doing well is because the public thinks your idea of "well qualified" is corrupt bullshit.



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Lefil said:
Trump will build a 50-foot high beauitiful wall along the United States' southern border -- and he'll get Mexico to pay for it! If he wins the presidency, in his first term, he'll knock out Obamacare, Common Core, the Environmental Protection Agency, and defund Planned Parenthood! He'll even force allies like Japan and South Korea to pay more money for American Military Facilities or he will let them build nuclear weapons!... Seriously? Trump is a coward who lies to a bunch of ignorant Americans who can't ever tell you how he will deliver on those pledges after the election.

Why do you say getting "Japan and South Korea to pay for their own militaries" as if it was obviously silly?



SuaveSocialist said:
The timeless question of which is more dangerous: Neutral Evil (Hillary) or Chaotic Evil (Trump).

Fixed that for ya :D



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Azuren said:
SuaveSocialist said:
The timeless question of which is more dangerous: Neutral Evil (Hillary) or Chaotic Evil (Trump).

Fixed that for ya :D

Thanks!  Been a while since I looked at their descriptors.  



the_dark_lewd said:
Lefil said:
Trump will build a 50-foot high beauitiful wall along the United States' southern border -- and he'll get Mexico to pay for it! If he wins the presidency, in his first term, he'll knock out Obamacare, Common Core, the Environmental Protection Agency, and defund Planned Parenthood! He'll even force allies like Japan and South Korea to pay more money for American Military Facilities or he will let them build nuclear weapons!... Seriously? Trump is a coward who lies to a bunch of ignorant Americans who can't ever tell you how he will deliver on those pledges after the election.

Why do you say getting "Japan and South Korea to pay for their own militaries" as if it was obviously silly?

You are quite the ignorant aren't you? Trump is claiming that Japan and S.Korea should pay more to maintain U.S. military bases in thier countries. He must study the history of US-Japan security treaty again America has engaged this treaty with Japan under Japaneas constitution stating disarmament. How can you go through the American school system and somehow miss the whole reason Japan and America have ties to begin with? We are at the loss of words!



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DivinePaladin said:
If you're talking about qualifications, prior experience is important. She's held 8 uneventful years in elected office, fewer than Obama overall at the time of his presidential campaign announcement, four controversial years as SoS and 20 years as a moderate-at-best political figurehead as First Lady. 20 years standing next to a State's and then the nation's Atlas is significant but not something quantifiable, especially in one of if not the safest period to be President in the last century. I'm not saying 12 years of experience is bad, obviously - especially not compared to Trump - but in her time in either field she accomplished essentially nothing other than the forwarding of her own political goals. Her first term in the Senate is essentially defined by the fact that she stayed silent publicly while building bridges in Congress for herself. To paraphrase you slightly, you claimed that she had one of the most impressive resumes in recent memory for a candidate. That's simply false. And then if we take her actual candidacy into account here, the holes start widening; she begins to fall back on her gender when pressed hard rather than give strict responses, and now she's turned her back on effectively 40% of the left voter base with continued attacks, astroturfing, and hostility. A qualified candidate has the maturity to not throw his/her hands in the air when a legitimate challenge is brought forth and the most important thing in an election is the perception of qualification, not the qualifications themselves. (If it was the latter it'd be a Sanders/Jeb! election.) When a candidate once inevitable hasn't mathematically eliminated a fringe candidate, that's cause for concern whether you personally agree or not.

I'm not sure who you are replying to but your first statement is wrong.  Obama was elected Senator in 05 and Ran in 08.  She has been in the Senate longer than Obama.  You yourself stated that she built bridges in congress, which only furthers her ability to use those bridges later.  How is that a negative???

When has Clinton been pressed on foreign policy and go "oh but I am woment and to question me is sexist" or do the same for the economy.  To claim she falls back on being a women when ever pressed is your imagination.  

Also I am drunk right now.  So take that for what its worth.

Obama was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1997. Experience of any sort matters, and being First Lady for 20 years at a State and National level isn't going to help after a while - not quite sure how you let the fact that Bill wasn't president for 20 years slide but jumped all over Obama's Senate terms, by the way. 

 

She built bridges with party insiders and lobbyists. She passed three pieces of legislation, one of which I believe was to create funding for a small state park in NY. These are the bridges you build when your term in the Senate is only resume padding for your ultimate goal, not an attempt to genuinely help your constituents. 

 

And lastly, it's not foreign policy but she is "tough" on Wall Street so let's just go ahead and ctrlv this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/15/clintons-911-comments-give-sanders-an-opening-on-her-wall-street-ties/

 

That's literally Family Guy levels of bad. 



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For me, any comparison between Hillary and Trump is wholly unfair.

Trump's rise in the political scene was when he lead the obscene and ridiculous Birther movement against President Obama. He was rightfully mocked and laughed off of the national political stage only to return in June '15 to announce that he will be running for the Presidency. An announcement that was less conservative/republican and more nationalistic/populist. One in which he proposed some of the more insane ideas in modern political history... to build a wall separating us from Mexico. In the months following his rhetoric endangers us all. He has proposed bans of entire populations of people, he's proposed full on trade wars without fully understanding the economic fallout. All of his ideas are extremist and dangerous.

Hillary is a decisive political figure but at least one that has a breadth of knowledge and real geopolitical and economic experience. I'm fine with people disagreeing with her but at least she will not burn his country and all our relationships with the world down to the ground. Trump isn't a "f*** you to the establishment", he represents a real dangerous threat to the entire world. And yes, is completely unqualified to be president. It's a national embarrassment that he made it this far.



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champybh said:

For me, any comparison between Hillary and Trump is wholly unfair.

Trump's rise in the political scene was when he lead the obscene and ridiculous Birther movement against President Obama. He was rightfully mocked and laughed off of the national political stage only to return in June '15 to announce that he will be running for the Presidency. An announcement that was less conservative/republican and more nationalistic/populist. One in which he proposed some of the more insane ideas in modern political history... to build a wall separating us from Mexico. In the months following his rhetoric endangers us all. He has proposed bans of entire populations of people, he's proposed full on trade wars without fully understanding the economic fallout. All of his ideas are extremist and dangerous.

Hillary is a decisive political figure but at least one that has a breadth of knowledge and real geopolitical and economic experience. I'm fine with people disagreeing with her but at least she will not burn his country and all our relationships with the world down to the ground. Trump isn't a "f*** you to the establishment", he represents a real dangerous threat to the entire world. And yes, is completely unqualified to be president. It's a national embarrassment that he made it this far.

Everything he says can't happen, and he knows it. The difference between him and Hillary is he doesn't have a filter between his brain and his mouth, for better or worse. At the very least, people know whatever he's thinking at that moment.

Hillary is on the opposite end of the danger spectrum as a known habitual liar. The people will never know what she intends to do until it has already happened, giving no chance of retaliation.

Hillary is a joke figure, just as much as Trump. Many people just refuse to see it because the media tells them to hate Trump and conveniently makes no mention of Hillary (except Fox, but they're liars, too; pot calling the kettle black right there).

The real tragedy is that Bernie will probably not make it into the Democratic ticket at this point, all thanks to a Socialist witch hunt led by people who don't even know what the word means.

The real national embarrassment is that we've come down to choosing between a sack of shit and a lying sack of shit.



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PDF said:
DivinePaladin said:

Obama was elected to the Illinois state Senate in 1997. Experience of any sort matters, and being First Lady for 20 years at a State and National level isn't going to help after a while - not quite sure how you let the fact that Bill wasn't president for 20 years slide but jumped all over Obama's Senate terms, by the way. 

 

She built bridges with party insiders and lobbyists. She passed three pieces of legislation, one of which I believe was to create funding for a small state park in NY. These are the bridges you build when your term in the Senate is only resume padding for your ultimate goal, not an attempt to genuinely help your constituents. 

 

And lastly, it's not foreign policy but she is "tough" on Wall Street so let's just go ahead and ctrlv this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/15/clintons-911-comments-give-sanders-an-opening-on-her-wall-street-ties/

 

That's literally Family Guy levels of bad. 

Yeah, I remember that video.  It was pretty bad, made me cringe.  Trump did a similar pivot to Cruz attack on New York values.  Less of an awkward pivot but he still used 9/11 as political leverage.

Still haven't provided an actual evidence that she uses the women card to defend foriegn policy stances.  So will you walk that back?

Also not all experience is equal.  I'd argue that US senate is far more relative experience to being president than a state senate.  I will concede that in overall terms of elected services I suppose you are right.  Lets remember she was a Seantor during a republican senate and president.  Very difficult to get legislation passed.

We all know Hillary was very involved first lady, I do not know why people write that off as being a wife isn't relative.  She first hand saw what is like to be President on a daily basis.  No offense to our other past first ladies but they undoubtedly were not as involved as Hillary was in her Husbands administration.  Which is why I am also happy elecintg Hillary means bringing back Bill.  I know people say it's not the 90's anymore the economy has changed.  They act as if he hasn't been following the economy or what is happening in the world.  He isn't stepping out of a time machine.

I know its not a popular campaign message for an outsiders race but your whole focus of building bridges with party insiders is still an advantage as far as pushing through an agenda.  The fact that she has overwhelming amount of super delgates prepledged shows that she can wrangle the democrats do to was she wishes.

 

Hillary is one of the worse politicians in modern history.  She terrible at being relatable and imbuing trustworthiness.  The fact that most of her approval ratings go up when she isn't campaigning says a lot.  That all aside, it absolutely ridiculous to think she is unqualified.  When looking at relative past experience to the job.  Especially when compared to Trump.  Whose reality tv experience made him very qualifired to be a politician but is in direct contradiction to being President.  A twitter fight with North Korea won't work.  Some of his business acumen is transferable but how much is arguable.  As sole owner of his company, I think he will run into problems having to share power with congress.  For those who hate executive orders, I could easily see Trump issuing them left and right.  He has shown throughout the campaign he likes to call the shots and has refused to dial back his brashness to look more President despite many in his campaign and party wanting him too.

You were the one that mentioned foreign policy. Why would I backpedal on a stipulation you named that I never acknowledged? Pretty much anything else you said here just doesn't add up; if it were so tough to get bills to the floor in a Republican Congress, why was Sanders the leading politician to do so (as an independent, no less)? With all the respect you insinuate Hillary would have, you'd think she'd have been effective. Moreover why would bringing Bill back into the fray be necessarily a good thing when he took over in essentially the best possible time to be President, and STILL thought it'd be good to push NAFTA through, on top of other missteps? W could have kept the economy stable during the dotcom boom for God's sake! And then you insinuate that Superdelegates mean anything in the scope of things here when they'd have (and may still) jumped all over Biden or any other establishment Dem. Superdelegates are a way to keep the thumb on the scale, it's no testament to Hillary's respect in the party that they're choosing her over a self-proclaimed socialist!

 

She's unqualified to be the Democratic Nominee or  the President. She's more qualified than Trump on the former, but Trump is far more representative of his party ideals that Hillary is, considering she's never been remotely liberal. And for reference, Obama wasn't qualified either. We haven't had a truly qualified president since Bill at the latest. Even then, Bill's qualifications are shifty considering he only won because Ross Perot dropped out while on the path to victory and reentered just to play spoiler, and considering Bill was essentially given the nomination as a safe, moderate Jimmy Carter style grassroots candidate. His lengthy prior experience offsets that though. 



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Lefil said:
the_dark_lewd said:

Why do you say getting "Japan and South Korea to pay for their own militaries" as if it was obviously silly?

You are quite the ignorant aren't you? Trump is claiming that Japan and S.Korea should pay more to maintain U.S. military bases in thier countries. He must study the history of US-Japan security treaty again America has engaged this treaty with Japan under Japaneas constitution stating disarmament. How can you go through the American school system and somehow miss the whole reason Japan and America have ties to begin with? We are at the loss of words!

Everyone in the world is aware of that. But I asked for a reason, not a treaty. You seem to think treaties are binding facts of nature of something? What a non-ignorant person would assume is that Trump means we'll change those agreements to be more in line with 2016, a time when there's almost no chance of Japan going to war with the west (and therefore no good reason for US military to be in Japan).