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Forums - Sales Discussion - "It's not the platform holder's job to make [third party games] successful." - Robot Entertaiment CEO

 

Who's (most) responsible for a games success?

Platform holders. 10 20.00%
 
Game makers. 40 80.00%
 
Total:50

Taking out the part that its the platform holder to make your platform as friendly as possible to developers, I completely agree with him.



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

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Of course it's the game makers responsibility to make their own game a success. Which is why you have game makers not making games for platforms that would not make that game a success. Hence less third party games for Nintendo platforms that are not themselves succeeding.

Who is responsible for making a console makers platform a success? Of course it is the console maker. Third party game producers are not going to participate in the catch-22 of a platform needing games to succeed nor should they.



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pokoko said:
Their job? That depends on what they want to accomplish.

If you want the platform itself to be strong then you're going to make it your job to see that third parties do as well as they can. I mean, you're making money when third parties sell a game on your system and you're increasing the value of your platform overall. That has a ripple effect on your own games.

I pretty much agree with this. 

I'll add on this. Nintendo isn't doing anything to be inviting to 3rd parties or be willing to pay for any ports which is some of the reason why nintendo has been declining. 3rd party games are too popular with the majority of gamers to just ignore. From nintendo's prespective, it doesn't need third party games to generate profit so it disregards them and doesn't pay for any ports. Pleasing it's fanbase and converting gamers/casuals into fans should be just as important as their profit because it will dictate their business in the future. If it's fanbase keeps shrinking, it will be eventually forced to go third party and/or focus on mobile to turn a profit on a much easier to please and bigger potential userbase.



Yes. it's not the platform holders job to make third party games successful. It's never been the case and I don't think it's even the expectation. But that's not nintendos problem. They have to first make hardware that the platform holders can get behind. The problem with Nintendo, is that they seem to make it harder for third parties than anyone else.



Well.... we know Nintendo believes so.... and its cost them third party support.

Im not sure if I completly agree with this statement.
You need to make sure theres a good enviroment for 3rd party on your platform, or they just dont show up.



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Third parties will go where it's easier to achieve success, why take the extra risk on a Nintendo home console when you can achieve more somewhere else



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They both go hand in hand.

Look at what Sony did with Black Ops 3.



MohammadBadir said:
I agree in a way but not fully. When it comes to making games on platforms, the main marketing is obviously the 3rd party's job, but in Nintendo's case, I think they need to emphasize the 3rd party games on their platforms as well, because that would only benefit Ninty in the long term.

But they do. There are Capcom deals at the moment (80% off for RE:Revelations, for example), they include 3rd party games in their game category section in the eshop as well (of course they put their own games on top, but who wouldn't?), indies get a whole lot of attention and let's not forget that ZombiU was bundled.



GoOnKid said:
MohammadBadir said:
I agree in a way but not fully. When it comes to making games on platforms, the main marketing is obviously the 3rd party's job, but in Nintendo's case, I think they need to emphasize the 3rd party games on their platforms as well, because that would only benefit Ninty in the long term.

But they do. There are Capcom deals at the moment (80% off for RE:Revelations, for example), they include 3rd party games in their game category section in the eshop as well (of course they put their own games on top, but who wouldn't?), indies get a whole lot of attention and let's not forget that ZombiU was bundled.

ZombiU was pretty much one of the few 3rd party WiiU games that had decent marketing. No, some eShop deals don't mean a whole lot (Don't the devs themselves decide to do sales?), I'm pretty sure I recall some 3rd party games with WiiU ports not even listing the WiiU as one of the platforms in their ads. Shouldn't Nintendo at least say something about that?



I say its both.  However in Nintendo's case, they only have themselves to blame when good 3rd party games sell like crap.



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