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Jumpin on 20 May 2016

Freedom of course. Security should be optional, that is I can activate it via phone if I require it. But having US agents spying on dick pics is BS.

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Sisko, some American guy from the presidential father era.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

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Mummelmann on 20 May 2016
bdbdbd said:
Mummelmann said:

The top bit; wow, just wow. Spoken as if you tore it out of my brain, I had this exact conversation at work today. I live in Sweden, the land without nuances and I feel like that every single day here, everything is polarized and either or and almost no one accepts middle ground suggestions.

Great post.

It's the same around here. It's because everything is made politics today.

Basically it's a tactic that's used by the red-green movement: you start with an offensive to get your opponent defensive. Your argument is morally/sentimentally the only option, which usually opposes an option based on values/freedom/resposibility - but only in the said context, i.e one-eyed view - and only the extremes exists. Should pedestrians be run over or should cars be banned. All the middle ground suggestions are based on your personal values, and personal values can't be the option because that way you can't drive your agenda.

Haha, that's a great example!