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Zekkyou on 15 May 2016
KLAMarine said:
Zekkyou said:

A 10 doesn't have to mean something is perfect. In-fact, unless the numbers on your scale are intended more as labels than to represent a linear/curved numerical scale (which is a perfectly valid system, but clearly not the one Aldro is using), i think it's pretty illogical to define a 10 that way. There is likely no such thing as a perfect game, thus 10 would become undefinable. Without being able to define both ends of your scale, everything in-between becomes meaningless. You'd basically be saying "I give this game [x] out of perfect", or "this game is [x]% perfect". It doesn't make much sense when you have no idea what perfect means. You might as well give something 6 out of apple, or 9 out of paper bag.

I wouldn't personally give UC4 a 10 (As of chapter 15 i'd give it a 9.0, but if it maintains its current quality through to the end, and wraps up the story nicely, i could see myself giving it a 9.5), but a 10 is what Aldro thinks it deserves, then that's what Aldro should give it.

If Aldro had said "yes, this game is perfect. It has no flaws whatsoever", I would have had zero issue with 10/10s everywhere. It's Aldro's opinion. I'm just scratching my head that Aldro acknowledges the game is not perfect but saw no reason to deduct any points.

Did you actually read my comment? Because it can act as a reply to this one too :p It literally starts with "A 10 doesn't have to mean something is perfect.", and an explanation as to why.



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KLAMarine on 15 May 2016
Normchacho said:
KLAMarine said:

Beating up? Am I beating up on the review? If I'm being rude, please let me know and I'll apologize.

I didn't mean you specifically. I was talking in a general sense that criticising a review with a perfect score for saying anything bad about the game is asking for worse (less well written) reviews.

Though, you did imply that he gave it a perfect score because of bias, and not because that's what he actually thought the game deserved.

I didn't say the perfect score was because of bias, I only said I detected bias: a bias to give U4 a perfect score everywhere when the reviewer acknowledges the game is not perfect. Because of this, I suspect either the game is in fact actually perfect or the reviewer didn't want to deduct points for whatever reason.



Normchacho on 15 May 2016
KLAMarine said:
Normchacho said:

I didn't mean you specifically. I was talking in a general sense that criticising a review with a perfect score for saying anything bad about the game is asking for worse (less well written) reviews.

Though, you did imply that he gave it a perfect score because of bias, and not because that's what he actually thought the game deserved.

I didn't say the perfect score was because of bias, I only said I detected bias: a bias to give U4 a perfect score everywhere when the reviewer acknowledges the game is not perfect. Because of this, I suspect either the game is in fact actually perfect or the reviewer didn't want to deduct points for whatever reason.

That's what I said...

But anyways, as others (and myself) have mentioned. Giving a game a perfect score doesn't have to mean that the game has no faults.

By the way, if I had to give Uncharted a 4 a numerical score...I'd probably give it a 95.



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KLAMarine on 15 May 2016
Zekkyou said:

KLAMarine said:

Zekkyou said:

A 10 doesn't have to mean something is perfect. In-fact, unless the numbers on your scale are intended more as labels than to represent a linear/curved numerical scale (which is a perfectly valid system, but clearly not the one Aldro is using), i think it's pretty illogical to define a 10 that way. There is likely no such thing as a perfect game, thus 10 would become undefinable. Without being able to define both ends of your scale, everything in-between becomes meaningless. You'd basically be saying "I give this game [x] out of perfect", or "this game is [x]% perfect". It doesn't make much sense when you have no idea what perfect means. You might as well give something 6 out of apple, or 9 out of paper bag.

I wouldn't personally give UC4 a 10 (As of chapter 15 i'd give it a 9.0, but if it maintains its current quality through to the end, and wraps up the story nicely, i could see myself giving it a 9.5), but a 10 is what Aldro thinks it deserves, then that's what Aldro should give it.

If Aldro had said "yes, this game is perfect. It has no flaws whatsoever", I would have had zero issue with 10/10s everywhere. It's Aldro's opinion. I'm just scratching my head that Aldro acknowledges the game is not perfect but saw no reason to deduct any points.

Did you actually read my comment? Because it can act as a reply to this one too :p It literally starts with "A 10 doesn't have to mean something is perfect.", and an explanation as to why.

In the realm of opinion, a game can be perfect. Someone can hold the opinion that a game is perfect and who's to say that person is wrong when it's an opinion?



KLAMarine on 15 May 2016
CGI-Quality said:
KLAMarine said:
I'm detecting some bias.

I read your subsequent replies, but starting with this comment may not be the best thing to do. Just some friendly advice. :)

Acknowledged.



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KLAMarine on 15 May 2016

I think the disagreement comes down to a philosophical one: can a game be perfect? Some would say yes, others would say no. Some would say 10/10 symbolizes a game has no flaws, others would say a 10/10 means the flaws that are there are minor and can be safely disregarded.

I'm going to guess Aldro is the type of reviewer that feels 10/10 means minor issues, if they're there, can be disregarded.



Zekkyou on 15 May 2016
KLAMarine said:
Zekkyou said:

Did you actually read my comment? Because it can act as a reply to this one too :p It literally starts with "A 10 doesn't have to mean something is perfect.", and an explanation as to why.

In the realm of opinion, a game can be perfect. Someone can hold the opinion that a game is perfect and who's to say that person is wrong when it's an opinion?

Of course, but i wasn't arguing that point. You were saying that someone had to believe something was perfect in order to give it a 10, and i was explaining why for many (myself included) that's not the case. Just as the undefinable nature of objective perfection ends up making it subjective, how you define score ends also ends up being subjective.

Anyway, i expect we've both expressed our views on this topic in full, so we can just agree to disagree :)



KLAMarine on 15 May 2016
Zekkyou said:
KLAMarine said:

In the realm of opinion, a game can be perfect. Someone can hold the opinion that a game is perfect and who's to say that person is wrong when it's an opinion?

Of course, but i wasn't arguing that point. You were saying that someone had to believe something was perfect in order to give it a 10, and i was explaining why for many (myself included) that's not the case. Just as the undefinable nature of objective perfection ends up making it subjective, how you define score ends also ends up being subjective.

Anyway, i expect we've both expressed our views on this topic in full, so we can just agree to disagree :)

Agreed.



Aldro on 15 May 2016

I qualify a 10 as a masterpiece, not as flawless because I believe giving a 10 only for flawless games mean that the metric would infact never be used. I also dont do 9.5's or such. A 9 to me is incredible. This game is more to me.



KLXVER on 15 May 2016
Aldro said:
I qualify a 10 as a masterpiece, not as flawless because I believe giving a 10 only for flawless games mean that the metric would infact never be used. I also dont do 9.5's or such. A 9 to me is incredible. This game is more to me.

The gameplay is more than incredible? What does this do that many other games fail to do?