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SWORDF1SH said:

These are hardly outrageous predictions but I'll put them out there anyway. With all the talk of an Xbox One slim, I still think Sony will announce a PS4 slim along with the PS4 Neo. I Just think we are now entering the window of time after launch where Sony typically release a slimmed down version of their consoles.

Also, while some people are predicting the PS4 to drop to $300 with the Neo at $400, I think they will price the Slim at $350 and the Neo at $450. Reasons are that the PS4 is still popular with not much sign of dipping in sales so no real need to have a price cut. They will want to take advantage of the PS4's success with the Neo offering a 4k gaming experience for $100 more. Personally I think this is the perfect setup, the cheaper to produce slim and more expensive Neo will give them a nice profit and they have plenty of room for a decent price cut and put into action when it's strategically better (Combat Gears launch or for the competitively price holiday).

So what do you think? What are you predictions?

That is perfect  if Sony want to suicide

of course why dont have 4 hardware this year ps4. ps4 slim, ps4 neo, pv vr , why not :)

ps4 neo is the ps4 slim and better for All is to have 299

 

 

 



 

 

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I don't think the Neo is going to be as expensive to make as some may think, mainly because judging by AMD's specs they're actually clocking these chips faster and not adding a tonne of extra Compute Units. The more efficient nature of Polaris means that the chips can be clocked faster, while still using ridiculously low amounts of power and producing some very nice end performance.

The 14 compute unit R7 460X, clocked at 1400MHz produces 2.5TFlops, but it only uses 50 watts.
If Sony's target is to hit 4.190TFlops as the rumors say, then they don't need 36 compute units a 24 compute unit GPU, clocked at 1400mhz would net Sony 4.293TFlops and the GPU would only use around 85 watts, I think the original 18CU GPU only used about 90 watts anyway.
This way Sony gets all of the performance they need, but costs can be kept down considerably.
I see no reason why the CPU can't be clocked faster easier than the rumors suggest, it's a part of the SoC/APU and at 14nm there's definite headroom to clock much faster than the original 8 Core AMD Jaguar CPU allowed. Even Puma at 28nm could be clocked at 2.4GHz on the same 30 watts of power consumption Jaguar used.
Puma scaled down to 14nm could run at 4.8GHz on 30 watts, so it's 3X faster than Jaguar, if Sony wanted a 3.6GHz Puma then they could get away with only using 20 watts.

I doubt PS4 Neo would even need to cost $399, I'd expect that kind of pricing if Sony were using a bigger GPU core, but that just isn't needed with Polaris, we're talking about a GPU 50% smaller than what was originally rumored, so costs should reflect that.
Neo could be $349, with the launch PS4 being dropped down to $249, this give Sony the ability to say that Neo only costs $100 more, but gives new owners more than 2X the performance of the original launch PS4, making it seem like a no brainer for new owners to buy Neo over the OG PS4.

I don't think we'll see a slim PS4, because Neo will be enough for Sony to have to market on top of Playstation VR, tbh I'd be surprised if even Neo was really coming this year, as much as the tech exists to make it real and there's a lot of buzz in the media about it, it's still unprecedented from a console platform holder to release a beefed up version of your already legendary selling platform.

Anyway if Neo is real, then I think it's not going to be any more than $399 for sure, could be as low as $349, there may not be a slim model, but rather the OG PS4 will go down to an official $249.
With all of the new games coming to PS4 this is how Sony spikes the PS4 sales even harder and also moves a tonne of games from exclusives through to multiplats.

The point of a games console is to sell games and this also makes the barrier to getting PS VR much slimmer, so maybe Sony will lean on that fact a little too.



JustBeingReal said:
I don't think the Neo is going to be as expensive to make as some may think, mainly because judging by AMD's specs they're actually clocking these chips faster and not adding a tonne of extra Compute Units. The more efficient nature of Polaris means that the chips can be clocked faster, while still using ridiculously low amounts of power and producing some very nice end performance.

The 14 compute unit R7 460X, clocked at 1400MHz produces 2.5TFlops, but it only uses 50 watts.
If Sony's target is to hit 4.190TFlops as the rumors say, then they don't need 36 compute units a 24 compute unit GPU, clocked at 1400mhz would net Sony 4.293TFlops and the GPU would only use around 85 watts, I think the original 18CU GPU only used about 90 watts anyway.
This way Sony gets all of the performance they need, but costs can be kept down considerably.
I see no reason why the CPU can't be clocked faster easier than the rumors suggest, it's a part of the SoC/APU and at 14nm there's definite headroom to clock much faster than the original 8 Core AMD Jaguar CPU allowed. Even Puma at 28nm could be clocked at 2.4GHz on the same 30 watts of power consumption Jaguar used.
Puma scaled down to 14nm could run at 4.8GHz on 30 watts, so it's 3X faster than Jaguar, if Sony wanted a 3.6GHz Puma then they could get away with only using 20 watts.

I doubt PS4 Neo would even need to cost $399, I'd expect that kind of pricing if Sony were using a bigger GPU core, but that just isn't needed with Polaris, we're talking about a GPU 50% smaller than what was originally rumored, so costs should reflect that.
Neo could be $349, with the launch PS4 being dropped down to $249, this give Sony the ability to say that Neo only costs $100 more, but gives new owners more than 2X the performance of the original launch PS4, making it seem like a no brainer for new owners to buy Neo over the OG PS4.

I don't think we'll see a slim PS4, because Neo will be enough for Sony to have to market on top of Playstation VR, tbh I'd be surprised if even Neo was really coming this year, as much as the tech exists to make it real and there's a lot of buzz in the media about it, it's still unprecedented from a console platform holder to release a beefed up version of your already legendary selling platform.

Anyway if Neo is real, then I think it's not going to be any more than $399 for sure, could be as low as $349, there may not be a slim model, but rather the OG PS4 will go down to an official $249.
With all of the new games coming to PS4 this is how Sony spikes the PS4 sales even harder and also moves a tonne of games from exclusives through to multiplats.

The point of a games console is to sell games and this also makes the barrier to getting PS VR much slimmer, so maybe Sony will lean on that fact a little too.

Great analysis thanks. So if ps4 can have more power on cpu gpu can also use less watts than the original ps4 because the chips is smaller

Like i say Sony can introduse us the new ps4 like a slim with price  299 or the same with  original ps4, and talk how more powerfull  is for those who use 4ktv, ps vr and need 60 fps. Epic win!



 

 

I'm just going to bump because it's an interesting read now the Slim has been revealed



hmmm best case scenario is 299 PS4 Slim and PS4 Neo at 399 but I think you are right with the prices : 350$ for PS4 Slim and 450$ for PS4 Neo



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Why would a cheaper to make model be released at the same price as the current model? I just don't get that. I fully expect the PS4 Slim to be $299 at the most seeing as we have been expecting a price drop for some time. Although I can see the Slim being anywhere from $249 - $299. The Neo on the other hand will be anywhere from $349 - $449.

Do I expect there to be a $100 difference with the units? Maybe not, maybe there will be a $150 difference that will account for the bigger HDD, UHD drive and faster CPU/GPU.

Going with that logic....we will either see $299 PS4 Slim and $449 PS4 Ultra (Neo) or $249 PS4 Slim and $399 PS4 Ultra (Neo).



Prediction (June 12th 2017)

Permanent pricedrop for both PS4 Slim and PS4 Pro in October.

PS4 Slim $249 (October 2017)

PS4 Pro $349 (October 2017)

JRPGfan said:

299$ PS4 normal (they might do more revisions, but doubt they do a slim)
399$ PS4k (neo)

..... I was wrong lol.

There is a slim, and that means price will come down, more than my asumption that they would just drop the normal 50$.



WebMasterFlex said:

hmmm best case scenario is 299 PS4 Slim and PS4 Neo at 399 but I think you are right with the prices : 350$ for PS4 Slim and 450$ for PS4 Neo

I don't think $350 anymore. I think $300. I'm 98% sure. The other 2% is $250.

davygee said:
Why would a cheaper to make model be released at the same price as the current model? I just don't get that. I fully expect the PS4 Slim to be $299 at the most seeing as we have been expecting a price drop for some time. Although I can see the Slim being anywhere from $249 - $299. The Neo on the other hand will be anywhere from $349 - $449.

Do I expect there to be a $100 difference with the units? Maybe not, maybe there will be a $150 difference that will account for the bigger HDD, UHD drive and faster CPU/GPU.

Going with that logic....we will either see $299 PS4 Slim and $449 PS4 Ultra (Neo) or $249 PS4 Slim and $399 PS4 Ultra (Neo).

That was my original guess if they announced it earlier and then they would drop to $300 for the holidays. Now thought my guess is $300 slim and $450 Neo.



I'm thinking 249 for 500GB slim and 299 for 1TB.

399 for a 1TB Neo and 449 for a 2TB.



I have to disagree on that slim price. Why announce if it's going to going to cost the same as the regular PS4? I'd say it's gonna be 299 or even 250.

Neo I figure will be 450



 

              

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