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DonFerrari said:
John2290 said:
If a certain three countries would stop killing people with drones, airstrikes and guided missiles or if America and the UK had went to Afganistan only, kept away from Iraq and not destabalized the whole middle east then this would not be happening right now. This mess is on the US, France and the UKs hands and they should be the ones to fit the bill but the whole world should help to fix the problem.

Yes, the problem surely would have been solved by itself if USA hadn't participated... like it was even solved before USA even get there.

As if the region didn't already have huge problems before. Stupid of the USA to go into iraq, but the place was already in a craper.



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DonFerrari said:
John2290 said:
If a certain three countries would stop killing people with drones, airstrikes and guided missiles or if America and the UK had went to Afganistan only, kept away from Iraq and not destabalized the whole middle east then this would not be happening right now. This mess is on the US, France and the UKs hands and they should be the ones to fit the bill but the whole world should help to fix the problem.

Yes, the problem surely would have been solved by itself if USA hadn't participated... like it was even solved before USA even get there.

Yeah, Saddam Hussein wasn't really a benevolent dictator... He tried to annex Kuwait, punished the Kurds, and even resorted to using chemical weapons. Bush Jr's biggest mistake when he decided to invade Iraq was not having a clearcut plan after Saddam was thrown off.

Also, I'm always confused by the "This is the US's fault, so it should fix the problem" argument. Sure, the US didn't offer much help and even caused harm, but it is also up to the Iraqis, the Afghanis, and so forth, to step up to the plate and enact positive change. So while it's on the US for its incompetency, it's also on the Middle Easterners for not changing for the better. After all, it was their choice to act that way.



barneystinson69 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, the problem surely would have been solved by itself if USA hadn't participated... like it was even solved before USA even get there.

As if the region didn't already have huge problems before. Stupid of the USA to go into iraq, but the place was already in a craper.

Milenia problems there, jihadists figthing ethnicies the whole time. Their invasion on europe, but sure is all fault of the west right?

John2290 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, the problem surely would have been solved by itself if USA hadn't participated... like it was even solved before USA even get there.

They've been fighting for a thousand years....thousands actually now that I think. It was all in equalibrium after WW1 until the US fucked it up, with desert storm in the late and then again in 00's. Oh, and what problem was it exactly and how could it have been any worse for the middle east today? It might have turned bad for the west if they closed the off the gulf but to the point, there would have been no refugee cryisis and no ISIL

The WW1 was a product of the western countries, so you are faulting them for taking out an equilibrium that they established?

And before USA even done desert storm there was already a lot of problems there, the terrorists already even attempted against Israel team on Olympics.

Pretend that muslim jihadists is a problem of none other than themselves is ridiculous. Their prejudice and culture is their own thing.



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Aura7541 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, the problem surely would have been solved by itself if USA hadn't participated... like it was even solved before USA even get there.

Yeah, Saddam Hussein wasn't really a benevolent dictator... He tried to annex Kuwait, punished the Kurds, and even resorted to using chemical weapons. Bush Jr's biggest mistake when he decided to invade Iraq was not having a clearcut plan after Saddam was thrown off.

Also, I'm always confused by the "This is the US's fault, so it should fix the problem" argument. Sure, the US didn't offer much help and even caused harm, but it is also up to the Iraqis, the Afghanis, and so forth, to step up to the plate and enact positive change. So while it's on the US for its incompetency, it's also on the Middle Easterners for not changing for the better. After all, it was their choice to act that way.

Yes the issue of USA and european countries on the Middle East were more of "how" than "doing". Their plan was messy.

And it's funny to say USA intervention is the cause of the problem and ask USA to intervene even more to solve it. It's so left wing to complain about public services and then have the solution of making the public services even bigger. The same here, to accuse something of causing the problem and ask for even more of it as a solution for the problem.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

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John2290 said:
DonFerrari said:

Yes, the problem surely would have been solved by itself if USA hadn't participated... like it was even solved before USA even get there.

They've been fighting for a thousand years....thousands actually now that I think. It was all in equalibrium after WW1 until the US fucked it up, with desert storm in the late and then again in 00's. Oh, and what problem was it exactly and how could it have been any worse for the middle east today? It might have turned bad for the west if they closed the off the gulf but to the point, there would have been no refugee cryisis and no ISIL

No, it wasn't, the region began to show signs of unstability pretty early after the partitioning of the Ottoman Empire, like the revolt in the British Mandate of Palestine in 1936 (Yes, the Brits controlled Palestine after WW1 for two decades).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%9339_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

Changes to the creation of the British mandate of Mesopotamia (known later as Iraq) were made due to revolts in the region as well:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_for_Mesopotamia_%28legal_instrument%29

USA began to fuck up things way before the desert storm. Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_1949_Syrian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat

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Aura7541 said:

Yeah, Saddam Hussein wasn't really a benevolent dictator... He tried to annex Kuwait, punished the Kurds, and even resorted to using chemical weapons. Bush Jr's biggest mistake when he decided to invade Iraq was not having a clearcut plan after Saddam was thrown off.

Also, I'm always confused by the "This is the US's fault, so it should fix the problem" argument. Sure, the US didn't offer much help and even caused harm, but it is also up to the Iraqis, the Afghanis, and so forth, to step up to the plate and enact positive change. So while it's on the US for its incompetency, it's also on the Middle Easterners for not changing for the better. After all, it was their choice to act that way.

They were fighting among themselves for most part that's why people blame the west, Saddam wasn't a saint but he and fellow madman Gaddaffi had groups like ISIS cowering and hiding and the west removed what kept them in check and essentially opened pandora's box. Both Iraq and Afghanisthan are worse after western intervention than before it because the was no stability plan for after the initial victories, this has allowed extremist to grab more power than they would have ever had access to before it.

Fact is if we as the west send the military in and have a tear up with a country it's unrealistic to expect them to sort themselves out when our countries themselves couldn't find their own feet by themselves after WW1, it took an economic agreement among a tonne of countries to solve that issue.



Europe is to blame for letting so many in without any idea what to do with them. I just hope they will send them back or find a permanent solution how to deal with them. Integrating is not easy if the people coming believe that Europe is morally inferior to their believes. USA is to blame too, constantly stiring the hornets nest. The whole region should be just left alone. The fact that USA constantly wants to change things in the middle east makes everything worse. The Middle East has to solve their issues themselfs like the rest of the world.