Slimebeast said:
Zkuq said:
That's not an integration problem. That's a combination of their culture and their unhappiness about the system. That's also partly a result of our culture for not taking care of them well enough as well as not making them feel as accepted as others. Those people don't blow themselves up for fun, and most never blow themselves up. There's a reason for their actions and understanding them is extremely important. They're already here and there's nothing you can do about it, so blocking more from coming isn't going to do much to help. Preventing radicalization is what's remaining.
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Wow, it's this attitude I hate among Western citizens.
"result of our culture for not taking care of them well enough" is the biggest bullshit I've ever heard.
Spread our legs wide open.
You don't understand this problem at all. You should visit Sweden some day beyond the tourist areas instead of sitting in your safe little Finnish village thinking you actually know anything about foreign cultures.
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They're already here and there's not much we can really do about it so we have to take care of them. People generally become terrorists because they're unhappy and gets lost and someone malevolent shows them a way, and there's a few steps where radicalization can be stopped. You can stop then from becoming unhappy, i.e. you can take care of them better. Obviously better integration helps too. Or you can help them keep their way when they're about to get lost, which I would guess is pretty hard to do. Or you can stop the malevolent people from misleading others, but that's hard too because I imagine a lot of that stuff happens underground and is hard to monitor. In the long run, I expect it to be both easiest and most beneficial to keep them happy and do as much as possible to help them integrate.
You also conveniently ignored the part where I said a good part of the problem is their culture. Not a lot of western people blow themselves up or resort to other kinds of terrorism. It's a cultural thing, but I'd say you're pretty delusional if you say their unhappiness about the system and everything isn't the other half of the problem. Again, people don't blow themselves up for fun, and I haven't heard of a more plausible reason yet.
I already know your views about immigration and we both know we disagree about that so no point in discussing that. However, my point here was more about terrorism and the ones that are already here and may have been for a couple of generations. We can't just throw then into the ocean. We have to deal with them somehow, whether you like it or not. There aren't any realistic alternatives as far as I know. You can wish to your heart's content they'd go away but they won't. They're here to stay.
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