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AAA300 said:
Soundwave said:

What jobs? He's going to hire everyone to work at Trump Tower?

His tax plan is absurd, it would put the country trillions of dollars into debt thanks to monsterous tax cuts that mainly benefit millionaires/billionaires.

Say what you want about Clinton, but the 90s were damn good economically, jobs were plentiful and Clinton is the only president in the last 60+ years to not run a huge deficet.

You can't give Clinton's credit for the birth of the Internet! Literally jobs appeared out of thin air with the internet in the 90s , so of course jobs were plentiful. And if you look back thank God the house was controlled by Republicans other wise Clinton would have spent that extra cash fast! If Hillary is elected don't expect a job rush like that of the 90s internet boom.

Yeah Republicans are so great at balancing the budget they haven't balanced one in like 100 years. Jobs rates were still solid for Clinton prior to '96 too before the internet boom took off like crazy. 

Clinton's economic policies are actually more in line with a centrist/center right common sense approach. "Hardcore" Republicians from Reagan onwards always go full retard because the first thing they do is enact massive tax cuts for their ultra-rich buddies thus making it virtually impossible to not run a monster deficet.

And Trump is sadly the same ol. His tax plan is insane, it will incur trillions of dollars of debt just like Bernie Sanders, the only big difference is millionaires/billionaires get huge tax savings under Trump's plan, at least under Bernie average people would get things like free college tuition (mind you I think both of their tax plans are irresponsible).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/apr/07/politifacts-guide-2016-candidates-tax-plans/

Hilary's is the only tax plan that doesn't run the country into monumental debt.



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Soundwave said:
mornelithe said:

Congress declares War, or authorizes the President to do so.  The President cannot do so unilaterally.

Or your enemey just declares war on you first.

You can kinda tell Trump has just been itching to say something stupid, his handlers put him on a leash for the last couple of weeks to ensure getting the nomination.

Eh?  Have you even been paying attention?  Trump's always saying something crazy, it keeps him in the news almost 24/7.  

Russia, for existential reasons, probably doesn't want to declare war on the US, not without a hell of alot more backup.



mornelithe said:
gintama said:
he will be a source of enjoyement until he declare WW3 lool

Congress declares War, or authorizes the President to do so.  The President cannot do so unilaterally.

Can USA Congress act on behalf of Rusia?

 

mornelithe said:
Soundwave said:

Or your enemey just declares war on you first.

You can kinda tell Trump has just been itching to say something stupid, his handlers put him on a leash for the last couple of weeks to ensure getting the nomination.

Eh?  Have you even been paying attention?  Trump's always saying something crazy, it keeps him in the news almost 24/7.  

Russia, for existential reasons, probably doesn't want to declare war on the US, not without a hell of alot more backup.

There's no margin of error for these decisions. Here does not exist "probably". This is yes or no.



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Pavolink said:
mornelithe said:

Congress declares War, or authorizes the President to do so.  The President cannot do so unilaterally.

Can USA Congress act on behalf of Rusia?

 

mornelithe said:

Eh?  Have you even been paying attention?  Trump's always saying something crazy, it keeps him in the news almost 24/7.  

Russia, for existential reasons, probably doesn't want to declare war on the US, not without a hell of alot more backup.

There's no margin of error for this decisions. Here does not exist "probably". This is yes or no.

"Can USA Congress act on behalf of Russia?"

Of course it can, Congress can authorize emergency funding in the wake of a natural disaster (happens all the time, whenever some tragic natural disaster occurs), I'd need further clarification of what you mean exactly, to answer you more clearly though.

 

I would say they absolutely have no desire to engage in open conflict w/ the US.



mornelithe said:
Pavolink said:

Can USA Congress act on behalf of Rusia?

 

There's no margin of error for this decisions. Here does not exist "probably". This is yes or no.

"Can USA Congress act on behalf of Russia?"

Of course it can, Congress can authorize emergency funding in the wake of a natural disaster (happens all the time, whenever some tragic natural disaster occurs), I'd need further clarification of what you mean exactly, to answer you more clearly though.

 

I would say they absolutely have no desire to engage in open conflict w/ the US.

Can the US congress decide for Russia? I mean, can the Congress on the United Stated of America tell Russia if they are authorized to declare war? What kind of jurisdiction have the US Congress on the United States of America over Russia?



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Pavolink said:
mornelithe said:

"Can USA Congress act on behalf of Russia?"

Of course it can, Congress can authorize emergency funding in the wake of a natural disaster (happens all the time, whenever some tragic natural disaster occurs), I'd need further clarification of what you mean exactly, to answer you more clearly though.

 

I would say they absolutely have no desire to engage in open conflict w/ the US.

Can the US congress decide for Russia? I mean, can the Congress on the United Stated of America tell Russia if they are authorized to declare war? What kind of jurisdiction have the US Congress on the United States of America over Russia?

Eh?  So you're saying Russia attacks/declares war on the US?  Given the military capabilities of both countries, I find that highly unlikely.    Russia's working on regaining their old military might, but they've got a ways to go, yet.



Um.

Diplomacy is the last stage before retaliation. Or, rather, the only stage. I know rolling over and taking it is really popular these days, but I don't know where the outrage is coming from.

Country A, who has had people fly planes into their important stuff in the past, demands Country B stop flying their planes so close to their important stuff. Country B ignores Country A. Country A calls for official meetings to solve the issue through diplomacy, but Country B continues to do whatever they please.

Country A feels threatened and threats back with promise to shoot down any aircraft flying near their important stuff. This is where it will go if Russia doesn't respond favorably, no matter who is in office.

... Unless we elect a giant pansy.



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Apparently the definition of US "diplomacy" these days is just roll over and let the other guy call all the shots. It's been working out great pretty much everywhere we've tried it.



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NightDragon83 said:
Apparently the definition of US "diplomacy" these days is just roll over and let the other guy call all the shots. It's been working out great pretty much everywhere we've tried it.

You gotta ask all the High Valued Targets in Middle east and mountains of Pakistan.

Hollow threats have been going since the Cold War era, why bother now? US wants war more than Russia does.



Goatseye said:
NightDragon83 said:
Apparently the definition of US "diplomacy" these days is just roll over and let the other guy call all the shots. It's been working out great pretty much everywhere we've tried it.

You gotta ask all the High Valued Targets in Middle east and mountains of Pakistan.

Hollow threats have been going since the Cold War era, why bother now? US wants war more than Russia does.

If that were the case, they would've started in Ukraine (where the US was actually obligated to do something, and given the treaty they signed, were w/in their rights to provide any and all assistance to Ukraine), or...by blowing this stupid fuck out of the sky:

 

 

Dumb shit puts a ton of lives in danger with idiotic stunts like that.  Nevermind how ill-advised it is to have war machines from opposing sides, operating so very close to each other.  It is very obvious that Russia is attempting to provoke some kind of military response from US and allied military units.  Though I will fully admit that the US and it's allies have purposefully impacted Russia's economy negatively, though, some of that was in response to Russian activity.

Still, if the US wanted War, they had the legal means to do so in Ukraine, at least, with regards to US Law.