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AgentZorn said:

That was done because of limitations of the 3DS hardware.


I know, but since we're using sources outside OoT to bring valid arguments, every small bit counts!



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Wright said:
Nautilus said:

"gender-bending".We know that Zelda covered up her identity and thats that.Changing gender is pushing too far, since there is no evidence of that ever happening in the series.

 

Evidence? Aside from Sheik being called "a man" by Princess Ruto, the official art and in-game appearance being masculine and different from Princess Zelda's body type, plus the eye colors being different?

The official Nintendo's Player Guide also states that Sheik is a male.

Taken from the Zelda wiki:

In the game itself, some of Sheik's grunts seem vaguely masculine. Additionally, Zelda and Sheik do not share physical characteristics, such as Zelda's helplessness when trapped by a ring of fire in Ganon's collapsing castle; this is a jump that she would presumably be able to make as Sheik, implying an actual transformation or magical augmentation as opposed to a mere clothing difference. When Princess Ruto describes Sheik to Link, she refers to him as a "nice young man", and in the original Japanese version, Sheik introduces him/herself using boku, a pronoun mostly used by young males Manga has Sheik as a male [...].

Not to mention the manga stating Sheik is a male, although this is a non-canonical source. But the point is there's enough evidence to suggest gender-bending here.

I never said that isnt possible, but thats hardly the case.Not to mention that a fan-made wiki dosent make for a strong argument in the first case.And as Wyrd has already said, there is the example of Persona 4, not to mention that many games and animes has already done this before.And there is a reason plotwise for Zelda to try to hide her gender:She is hiding from Ganondorf.Making her SEEM male makes it a better false identity.It all points to just being a good disguise, instead of gender-bending



My (locked) thread about how difficulty should be a decision for the developers, not the gamers.

https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241866&page=1

Wyrdness said:

The grunts can simply be her trying to hide her voice, if Nintendo see her as more affeminate than that speaks a lot more about the character than speculation, even in HW Sheik is affeminate highlight the character was always female in disguise which in a lot of Japanese has been a popular theme.

 

Or it might be the fact that she actually swapped genders using magic. It works both ways, you know.

Anouma stated that he supports and approves of Akira Himewaka's mangas, on which it is stated that Sheik is male. That speaks a lot more about the character than speculation, too.



Nautilus said:

I never said that isnt possible, but thats hardly the case.Not to mention that a fan-made wiki dosent make for a strong argument in the first case.And as Wyrd has already said, there is the example of Persona 4, not to mention that many games and animes has already done this before.And there is a reason plotwise for Zelda to try to hide her gender:She is hiding from Ganondorf.Making her SEEM male makes it a better false identity.It all points to just being a good disguise, instead of gender-bending

 

Fan-wiki just recolects everything with sources, they just don't post fandom stuff without any source at all. Everything they stated can be constated by playing OoT, reading the guide or reading the manga.

And sure, a lot of games have done that; but at the same time, gender-bending is also utilized in many games and animes (Disgaea, BlazBlue, Darkstalkers...). And then again, is she's trying to hide her gender, actually SWAPPING genders makes for a better false identity than any disguise could ever hope. It actually points to gender-bending, you see.



Wright said:

 

Or it might be the fact that she actually swapped genders using magic. It works both ways, you know.

Anouma stated that he supports and approves of Akira Himewaka's mangas, on which it is stated that Sheik is male. That speaks a lot more about the character than speculation, too.

Support and approve doen't mean something is canon it just means he doesn't mind the guy's vision much like the original creator of Metroid approved of the Prime series but didn't consider them canon but as a separate vision. Fact is Nintendo have been making Sheik more affeminate over the years that says more than anything.



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Wright said:
AgentZorn said:

That was done because of limitations of the 3DS hardware.


I know, but since we're using sources outside OoT to bring valid arguments, every small bit counts!

Well Aonuma reffers to Shiek as a she. 



Wyrdness said:

Support and approve doen't mean something is canon it just means he doesn't mind the guy's vision much like the original creator of Metroid approved of the Prime series but didn't consider them canon but as a separate vision. Fact is Nintendo have been making Sheik more affeminate over the years that says more than anything.

 

Nintendo might been busy changing Sheik in Smash, but fact is Sheik was a person referred as a "man" by both Princess Pluto and the Official Guide, that had manly grunts, used japanese pronouns for male when speaking and is physically different than Zelda. That's actually what says the most over anything, really.

But sure, if you want to use the Sheik in Smash as proof of anything, go ahead. Bear in mind that Smash isn't canon in Zelda's history, especially since the developer is different than the original creator of OoT, the same way as you discredit the manga approved by Anouma for being a separate vision.



AgentZorn said:

Well Aonuma reffers to Shiek as a she. 

 

Fair enough there, although Sheik and Zelda are physically different.



I would take a Link/Sheikah transformation over a female playable Link, any day. Having a female Link will destroy Link's potency as a mascot and he will no longer be able to stand alongside Mario and Samus since Nintendo will now have to include both the male and female version in their adverts to avoid the ire of being called "sexist." Furthermore, having an actual transformation to a new character seems like a legitimate plot device and not just a sellout to SJWs. I hope that this hypothesis for Zelda U ends up being correct.



Wright said:

 

Nintendo might been busy changing Sheik in Smash, but fact is Sheik was a person referred as a "man" by both Princess Pluto and the Official Guide, that had manly grunts, used japanese pronouns for male when speaking and is physically different than Zelda. That's actually what says the most over anything, really.

But sure, if you want to use the Sheik in Smash as proof of anything, go ahead. Bear in mind that Smash isn't canon in Zelda's history, especially since the developer is different than the original creator of OoT, the same way as you discredit the manga approved by Anouma for being a separate vision.

Null and void points because one Sheik is a disguise Ruto thinking it's a male as well as the speaking and all is the whole point and two the guide is done so to avoid spoilers. Sheik is also not that physically different from Zelda either indicating it's down to attire, the magic was used to darken skin tone slightly but lets not get to far into that as by the way speculation is going now days people will be claiming Zelda turned into a Latin or black person at this rate.