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Trump or Clinton

Trump 444 33.59%
 
Clinton 487 36.84%
 
Undecided 109 8.25%
 
Not of age or not American 282 21.33%
 
Total:1,322
Slimebeast said:

Trump since he is the closest to a conservative, even if he has a dirty mouth.

USA desperately needs Trump because I don't want it to turn into another Euro-trash country with mass immigration, socialism, pissing on culture and tradition and with corrupted justice.

USA is cool, USA is unique. A nation of power and high moral values that is like a beacon against all the evil nations in this world. It would suck if it lost its uniqueness.

Huh, a conservative Swede. I thought you guys died out, you're like a unicorn lol



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Kane1389 said:
Soundwave said:

That's not neccessarily a positive e for Trump though because what that shows is while he is successful at attracting a certain group of people, that also comes with a lot of people who are coming out to vote *against* him. High voter turn out is good for Democrats, always has been.

Well, then one would excpect that he'd lose the primary. Instead he is about to have the most votes any republican canditate has ever had in history. Which tells me he brings more people to vote for him than against him. Also, a record number of democrats have voted for him as well

He can try to attack Hilary in the same way by huffing and puffing and calling names and all that but I don't think it will be as successful of a tactic against Clinton and it could back fire, he tried the same thing with Carly Fiorina by implying she was too ugly to be president and I think that was one of the rare times he back pedalled sensing that women were really pissed off by that.

Carly dropped out twice tho, didnt she? Also, I doubt he'll attack Hilary on her looks, there are way, waay more jucy issues he can attack her with. 

The polls aren't always accurate, but RCP (real clear politics) is a fairly decent indicator, for example Obama only had double digit leads over Romney like twice the entire cycle. Clinton already has hit 13+ up on Trump three times.

Again, many polls predicted he wont even last past the first debate, many predicted Bush will be GOP frontrunner, look how that turned out. Also, a recent Rassmussen report showed him above Clinton , and he barely started on her. I know that many polls still favour Clinton, but there is a lot of time from here till november.

This is why IMO the Republican establishment does not want him as the candidate because they fear he'll getted routed in the general election, and demographics are not neccessarily great for him, he'll probably lose big among women (who were 54% of the vote bloc last cycle) and blacks and latinos (who are about 1/3 of the population now).

Do you know what demographic Clinton is doing terribly with? White men. Also guess which demographic is usually the biggest one? AS for Blacks and Lations, they voted last time and in 2008 based on identity politics, meaning for a minorty race (Obama), when there is a choice between 2 whites again, I doubt they'll be as active as before

Like I said those are my opinions, lets see what happens, but he is getting beat pretty soundly by Clinton in a majority of polls, I think there's like one of 20 (the Rassmussen phone survery) were he's up on  Clinton by 2 points. In the CNN poll he's down 13, even with Fox New he's down 5.

I think you're kidding yourself too if you don't think Latinos are going to mobilize and come out en masse to vote in this election. You don't insult someone like that and think they're just going to forget about it. This will likely be the largest Hispanic turn out I would bet.

And more women vote than men these days 54% of voters were women in the last election and I don't see that declining as there will be plenty of excitement for making Clinton the first female president (identity politics as you say).



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:
Trump since he is the closest to a conservative, even if he has a dirty mouth.

USA desperately needs Trump because I don't want it to turn into another Euro-trash country with mass immigration, socialism, pissing on culture and tradition and corrupted justice.

Meh Europe may have issues right now with immigration, but that's largely probably due to US meddling in the Middle East.

The US is barely accepting any refugees from anywhere as is and that's not changing Trump or no Trump. They're basically leaving Europe to deal with that mess.

Beyond that though European countries are superior to the US in many ways. For one you don't have to worry about your damn kid getting shot to death just going to school or the movies and 2/3rds of population isn't grossly obese, generally speaking I find most Europeans are better educated than average Americans and doing anything to be famous/rich isn't priority no.1 in most people's life.

WTH? Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Holland etc have taken in masses of migrants from poor countries since the 1980's. These countries have been politically correct and multicultural for three decades. And even if these young, strong and healty people from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that now are flooding our gates there's no reason to let them in.

Yeah, maybe the life of Europeans on average is slightly better than for the average American at least if you look at Northern Europe. But what do these countries do to the world? Nothing cool. What good would it bring the world to make USA another "equal" nation like Europe?  From USA comes everything cool - Hollywood movies, video games, cool presidents, war, weapons, power games, pop music, Elvis, Miami Vice, Michael Jackson and so on.



Kane1389 said:
Slimebeast said:

Trump since he is the closest to a conservative, even if he has a dirty mouth.

USA desperately needs Trump because I don't want it to turn into another Euro-trash country with mass immigration, socialism, pissing on culture and tradition and with corrupted justice.

USA is cool, USA is unique. A nation of power and high moral values that is like a beacon against all the evil nations in this world. It would suck if it lost its uniqueness.

Huh, a conservative Swede. I thought you guys died out, you're like a unicorn lol

I know, and it sucks so bad. I hate my own people (a gigantic paradox for a conservative nationalist lol).



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Meh Europe may have issues right now with immigration, but that's largely probably due to US meddling in the Middle East.

The US is barely accepting any refugees from anywhere as is and that's not changing Trump or no Trump. They're basically leaving Europe to deal with that mess.

Beyond that though European countries are superior to the US in many ways. For one you don't have to worry about your damn kid getting shot to death just going to school or the movies and 2/3rds of population isn't grossly obese, generally speaking I find most Europeans are better educated than average Americans and doing anything to be famous/rich isn't priority no.1 in most people's life.

WTH? Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Holland etc have taken in masses of migrants from poor countries since the 1980's. These countries have been politically correct and multicultural for three decades. And even if these young, strong and healty people from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that now are flooding our gates there's no reason to let them in.

Yeah, maybe the life of Europeans on average is slightly better than for the average American at least if you look at Northern Europe. But what do these countries do to the world? Nothing cool. What good would it bring the world to make USA another "equal" nation like Europe?  From USA comes everything cool - Hollywood movies, video games, cool presidents, war, weapons, power games, pop music, Elvis, Miami Vice, Michael Jackson and so on.

Generally speaking I don't think Americans are all that happy. Mental illness and drug addiction (be it to "medical" drugs or illegal narcotics) is rampant in every demographic, people randomly losing their mind and shooting up a school/grocery store/movie theater/preschool is a common event, yes Michael Jackson and Elvis were great performers but they were also pretty fucked up people if you actually research them.

Hollywood movies are generally senseless nonsense at this point. I'd rather ingest poison than listen to a Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber album, modern pop music is utter shit.

Europeans tends to fetishize American culture, it's not how you think it is on TV, lol. Most people here are also in monsterous personal debt, struggling to pay off credit cards, student loans, living basically month to month, if anything goes wrong (like a medical condition popping up) they're fucked.



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Clinton, I guess. Maybe she'll get impeached and arrested so her vp will take over. 



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

WTH? Sweden, Germany, Austria, France, Holland etc have taken in masses of migrants from poor countries since the 1980's. These countries have been politically correct and multicultural for three decades. And even if these young, strong and healty people from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan that now are flooding our gates there's no reason to let them in.

Yeah, maybe the life of Europeans on average is slightly better than for the average American at least if you look at Northern Europe. But what do these countries do to the world? Nothing cool. What good would it bring the world to make USA another "equal" nation like Europe?  From USA comes everything cool - Hollywood movies, video games, cool presidents, war, weapons, power games, pop music, Elvis, Miami Vice, Michael Jackson and so on.

Generally speaking I don't think Americans are all that happy. Mental illness and drug addiction (be it to "medical" drugs or illegal narcotics) is rampant in every demographic, people randomly losing their mind and shooting up a school/grocery store/movie theater/preschool is a common event, yes Michael Jackson and Elvis were great performers but they were also pretty fucked up people if you actually research them.

Hollywood movies are generally senseless nonsense at this point. I'd rather ingest poison than listen to a Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber album, modern pop music is utter shit.

Europeans tends to fetishize American culture, it's not how you think it is on TV, lol. Most people here are also in monsterous personal debt, struggling to pay off credit cards, student loans, living basically month to month, if anything goes wrong (like a medical condition popping up) they're fucked.

Well, you have to take some losses for all the amazing things you create.



Slimebeast said:
Soundwave said:

Generally speaking I don't think Americans are all that happy. Mental illness and drug addiction (be it to "medical" drugs or illegal narcotics) is rampant in every demographic, people randomly losing their mind and shooting up a school/grocery store/movie theater/preschool is a common event, yes Michael Jackson and Elvis were great performers but they were also pretty fucked up people if you actually research them.

Hollywood movies are generally senseless nonsense at this point. I'd rather ingest poison than listen to a Taylor Swift or Justin Bieber album, modern pop music is utter shit.

Europeans tends to fetishize American culture, it's not how you think it is on TV, lol. Most people here are also in monsterous personal debt, struggling to pay off credit cards, student loans, living basically month to month, if anything goes wrong (like a medical condition popping up) they're fucked.

Well, you have to take some losses for all the amazing things you create.

What's so amazing about America these days? Everything they make is made in China anyway, who is the "coolest" pop star today? Taylor Swift? Anyone really give a shit? She's about as bland as vanilla ice cream. Hollywood makes nothing but superhero movies because too chicken shit to do anything else. That or Star Wars made in the 1970s. Video games descend primarily from Japanese culture.



Soundwave said:
Slimebeast said:

Well, you have to take some losses for all the amazing things you create.

What's so amazing about America these days? Everything they make is made in China anyway, who is the "coolest" pop star today? Taylor Swift? Anyone really give a shit? She's about as bland as vanilla ice cream. Hollywood makes nothing but superhero movies because too chicken shit to do anything else. That or Star Wars made in the 1970s. Video games descend primarily from Japanese culture.

Actually you are right in that American culture has become real shit lately lol

I despise most of it. Europe is better, much more genuine.



Soundwave said:
Kane1389 said:

Like I said those are my opinions, lets see what happens, but he is getting beat pretty soundly by Clinton in a majority of polls, I think there's like one of 20 (the Rassmussen phone survery) were he's up on  Clinton by 2 points. In the CNN poll he's down 13, even with Fox New he's down 5.

I think you're kidding yourself too if you don't think Latinos are going to mobilize and come out en masse to vote in this election. You don't insult someone like that and think they're just going to forget about it. This will likely be the largest Hispanic turn out I would bet.

And more women vote than men these days 54% of voters were women in the last election and I don't see that declining as there will be plenty of excitement for making Clinton the first female president (identity politics as you say).

Polls, again, predicted he wouldnt last past the debates and put Jeb in front in GOP. While they are a significant indicator, they are by no means the final judgment.

He attacked illegal immigrants(which cant vote anyway) not Lations, this has been said milions and millions of times already, how many times must this be repeated until Trump haters realise the truth. Or i guess its more convinient for the left to mark anyone they hate as racist, sexist, xenophobic etc. It's their number one tactic after all