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Trump or Clinton

Trump 444 33.59%
 
Clinton 487 36.84%
 
Undecided 109 8.25%
 
Not of age or not American 282 21.33%
 
Total:1,322
jason1637 said:
Zarkho said:
If I were from the US I would vote, and actively support, Bernie Sanders (and, most important, the movement, activists and ideas around him). It's about time for the mases of the US to get rid of corporate politics and start debating about decent wages, equality, housing, free healthcare and education, quality public services, etc. etc. etc.

Yeah yeah it makes sense to support a socialist. 

Of course, he is not American so he is used to the government taking care of him.



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In case no one has made this analogy yet:

Trump = Sony
Hillary = Microsoft
Bernie = Nintendo



bet: lost

Zarkho said:
If I were from the US I would vote, and actively support, Bernie Sanders (and, most important, the movement, activists and ideas around him). It's about time for the mases of the US to get rid of corporate politics and start debating about decent wages, equality, housing, free healthcare and education, quality public services, etc. etc. etc.

Nope, sorry we gotta debate on who gets to go to which bathroom.



Jimbo1337 said:
Soundwave said:

Oh a bunch of emails. Whoopity doo. Oh noes the emails. They weren't even classified at the time, so what she's not a rocket scientist at setting up email security like most people over the age of 60 are.

I like Bernie too but the system isn't "rigged". Hilary has more votes than Bernie. A lot more votes actually. She has like 2 million more votes over Sanders and more than Trump as well in this primary season. Of course Bernie Sanders supporters convienantly always forget to mention this.

People get caught up in stupid little things with the Clintons ... fact of the matter is the 90s were pretty much the most peaceful and properous period of time for America probably since post World War II. Economy was booming, jobs were plentiful, Clinton is the only president to actually have a surplus instead of a deficet in like the last 100 years, the US didn't get caught up in any major wars.

But he oh no, dude got a blow job from an intern. Like who cares. Kennedy probably fucked half the Eastern seaboard, but he also probably prevented nuclear World War III. Gee, which is more important?

Bernie's "honest" ... but "honest" is akin to being "nice" in football ... it's all well and good until you get knocked on your ass. I don't think he'd be able to accomplish 1/3 of what he's proposing and a lot of what he's proposing would send the US into monstrous debt. Clinton may not get people in "oohss" and "ahhhhs" as a "she makes me feel good" type candidate but she'll probably get shit done because she's more of a moderate.

She's the only one that has a tax plan that wouldn't send the US into monsterous debt ... Sanders wants to make everything free and raise taxes everywhere. Trump wants to give massive tax cuts to millionaires/billionaires while spending even more on the military and maintain Medicare/SS, so he's ok with much less tax revenue but more spending. Clinton is the only one with any damn sense fiscally.

You're totally right.  Having 2200 classified emails, some of which were either top secret or classified at the time they were sent or recieved is not a problem.  It's also not a problem that you now have a hacker, who is currently being held by the FBI, claiming that he got into the Clinton server.  Let's have this person have the most powerful position in the world run our country.  Or the fact that she has taken millions of dollars from countries in the middle east with her Clinton Foundation.  She is so corrupt it is unbelievable.  By the way, the FBI aren't interrogating her, they are simply playing patty cake in a back room.

The system is rigged and it goes to show that you have not being paying attention to this election.  Berine Sanders tied in Iowa (1st state) and crushed her in New Hampshire (2nd state).  That means she was losing in both pledged delegates and popular vote.  But the system is so rigged that she was winning in delegates by 350 just after two states (Hillary - 394   Bernie - 44).  This rigging process comes from superdelegates, which I have already previously explained in a prior post.  The next state Nevada she finally won and was ahead like 502 delegates to 77 delegates.  So she gained 108 delegates in Nevada that only has 35 total delegates to give out.  If you were ahead 394 to 44 or 502 to 77, wouldn't that give you enough momentum going forward to eventually win?  But keep thinking the system isn't rigged.  If the shoe was on the other foot, you would say it is rigged.

Again you have no clue what you are talking about.  How was it possible for Bill Clinton to have oral sex with an intern?  Why wasn't there anybody else around to see this?  Perhaps everyone in the government went home because there was a government shutdown (everyone goes home except for interns!!!).  Oh that's right.  It was Newt Gingrich and company that balanced the budget.  

Now I don't agree with Sanders on a lot of issues but he is at least exposing the corrupt system on the democratic side so I applaud him for that.  Clinton's positions are absoultely all over the place.  She has most recently said that she wants to put coal miners out of jobs.  Lol

Clinton has 2 millon more votes than Sanders does in the primaries, so lets just drop the delegate system and make it a popular vote since that's more democratic, no? She still wins by a large margin. The only democrats to ever get as many votes in a primary season as Clinton has this year would Obama and Clinton in 2008.

So no, I don't think the system is "rigged", Bernie has 2 million fewer votes overall. 

Bill Clinton received oral sex in office, if you don't know this I'm going to assume you're too young to know what was happening in the 1990s, but look it up some time it was an interesting decade.

Trump is getting sued for actual fraud that hurt people by the way by virtue of his "Trump University", no one really is making a fuss about that. Emails that weren't classified at the time hurt no one, a careless oversight sure, but I'm not going to kill someone an oversight like that.

Bernie Sanders is a nice idealist, but he will get nothing done as president, Obama has had enough of a hard time and Bernie is far more to the left. Beyond that even if he could his proposals and tax plans are filled with wishful thinking that would run the country trillions into debt. So would Trump's plan. Clinton's is is the only one that isn't fiscally insane.

Clinton may not give slogans that go well on a t-shirt, but my personal feeling is she's level headed and smart enough to lead the country without driving it into the monster debt and has actual experience in being first lady during 8 very successful years with Bill Clinton as president give her far more of a heads up than the other two have had.

In a perfect utopian world, sure Sanders is probably my choice, but this is real life and I don't think he'd function well as an actual sitting president. You need someone who can get a little dirty, this isn't the ice capades, real life politics is more like ice hockey with others trying to take your head off. Trump is entertaining but just batshit crazy and full of himself, he'd turn the country into polarized farce of itself.



Soundwave said:
thranx said:

Hve you not been watching the news? Trump has brought more people out to vote. republicans have been having higher voter turn outs this election cycle, and democrats lower. Trump is looking very well placed to take the presidency. And he has done it on a small budegt, with more media attention. He represents what americans want, and what wwe need at this time.

Not exactly.

Most polls have him getting beaten by Clinton and even worse by Sanders in the general election. And Clinton has more primary votes than anyone (Trump included).

He's done well at beating a group of largely dull Republicans, but the general election is a very different ball game and that's why Republicans tried very hard to deny him the nomination, because most polling data shows he would lose and lose badly in a general election.

Polls? The entire political spectrum of the country as well as the almost all media said his campaign wouldnt last for 2 months, when he entered the race in june last year. As for polls, every politician he ever went up against tanked in polls after Trump attacked them, starting from Rand to Bush, Rubio and eventually even Cruz and Kasich. There was a recent poll which showed Trump above Hillary and he barely started on her, and he has way more ammunation on her than he had on any other presidental candidate.

As for votes, Hilary has the voters split between 2 people, her and Bernie. Trump has over 8  other candidates splitting the vote and he's still quite close to Clinton. But if overall quantity of votes is what you care, the ''dull''  Republicans have over 3 million more votes than democrats in this election



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Both Hillary and Trump are funny, this will be an entertaining race. I know people hate trump, but you have to appreciate that his comedy is pure gold. Hillary is great too, we need to get her to loosen up a bit and start trashing trump.



Kane1389 said:
Soundwave said:

Not exactly.

Most polls have him getting beaten by Clinton and even worse by Sanders in the general election. And Clinton has more primary votes than anyone (Trump included).

He's done well at beating a group of largely dull Republicans, but the general election is a very different ball game and that's why Republicans tried very hard to deny him the nomination, because most polling data shows he would lose and lose badly in a general election.

Polls? The entire political spectrum of the country as well as the almost all media said his campaign wouldnt last for 2 months, when he entered the race in june last year. As for polls, every politician he ever went up against tanked in polls after Trump attacked them, starting from Rand to Bush, Rubio and eventually even Cruz and Kasich. There was a recent poll which showed Trump above Hillary and he barely started on her, and he has way more ammunation on her than he had on any other presidental candidate.

As for votes, Hilary has the voters split between 2 people, her and Bernie. Trump has over 8  other candidates splitting the vote and he's still quite close to Clinton. But if overall quantity of votes is what you care, the ''dull''  Republicans have over 3 million more votes than democrats in this election

That's not neccessarily a positive for Trump though because what that shows is while he is successful at attracting a certain group of people, that also comes with a lot of people who are coming out to vote *against* him. High voter turn out is good for Democrats, always has been.

He can try to attack Hilary in the same way by huffing and puffing and calling names and all that but I don't think it will be as successful of a tactic against Clinton and it could back fire, he tried the same thing with Carly Fiorina by implying she was too ugly to be president and I think that was one of the rare times he back pedalled sensing that women were really pissed off by that.

The polls aren't always accurate, but RCP (real clear politics) is a fairly decent indicator, for example Obama only had double digit leads over Romney like twice the entire cycle. Clinton already has hit 13+ up on Trump three times.

This is why IMO the Republican establishment does not want him as the candidate because they fear he'll getted routed in the general election, and demographics are not neccessarily great for him, he'll probably lose big among women (who were 54% of the vote bloc last cycle) and blacks and latinos (who are about 1/3 of the population now).



Trump since he is the closest to a conservative, even if he has a dirty mouth.

USA desperately needs Trump because I don't want it to turn into another Euro-trash country with mass immigration, socialism, pissing on culture and tradition and with corrupted justice.

USA is cool, USA is unique. A nation of power and high moral values that is like a beacon against all the evil nations in this world. It would suck if it lost its uniqueness.



Slimebeast said:
Trump since he is the closest to a conservative, even if he has a dirty mouth.

USA desperately needs Trump because I don't want it to turn into another Euro-trash country with mass immigration, socialism, pissing on culture and tradition and corrupted justice.

Meh Europe may have issues right now with immigration, but that's largely probably due to US meddling in the Middle East.

The US is barely accepting any refugees from anywhere as is and that's not changing Trump or no Trump. They're basically leaving Europe to deal with that mess.

Beyond that though European countries are superior to the US in many ways. For one you don't have to worry about your damn kid getting shot to death just going to school or the movies and 2/3rds of population isn't grossly obese, generally speaking I find most Europeans are better educated than average Americans and doing anything to be famous/rich isn't priority no.1 in most people's life.

For whatever reason there seems to be more mentally ill people in the US too.



Soundwave said:

That's not neccessarily a positive e for Trump though because what that shows is while he is successful at attracting a certain group of people, that also comes with a lot of people who are coming out to vote *against* him. High voter turn out is good for Democrats, always has been.

Well, then one would excpect that he'd lose the primary. Instead he is about to have the most votes any republican canditate has ever had in history. Which tells me he brings more people to vote for him than against him. Also, a record number of democrats have voted for him as well

He can try to attack Hilary in the same way by huffing and puffing and calling names and all that but I don't think it will be as successful of a tactic against Clinton and it could back fire, he tried the same thing with Carly Fiorina by implying she was too ugly to be president and I think that was one of the rare times he back pedalled sensing that women were really pissed off by that.

Carly dropped out twice tho, didnt she? Also, I doubt he'll attack Hilary on her looks, there are way, waay more jucy issues he can attack her with. 

The polls aren't always accurate, but RCP (real clear politics) is a fairly decent indicator, for example Obama only had double digit leads over Romney like twice the entire cycle. Clinton already has hit 13+ up on Trump three times.

Again, many polls predicted he wont even last past the first debate, many predicted Bush will be GOP frontrunner, look how that turned out. Also, a recent Rassmussen report showed him above Clinton , and he barely started on her. I know that many polls still favour Clinton, but there is a lot of time from here till november.

This is why IMO the Republican establishment does not want him as the candidate because they fear he'll getted routed in the general election, and demographics are not neccessarily great for him, he'll probably lose big among women (who were 54% of the vote bloc last cycle) and blacks and latinos (who are about 1/3 of the population now).

Do you know what demographic Clinton is doing terribly with? White men. Also guess which demographic is usually the biggest one? AS for Blacks and Lations, they voted last time and in 2008 based on identity politics, meaning for a minorty race (Obama), when there is a choice between 2 whites again, I doubt they'll be as active as before