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Trump or Clinton

Trump 444 33.59%
 
Clinton 487 36.84%
 
Undecided 109 8.25%
 
Not of age or not American 282 21.33%
 
Total:1,322

Counter point:

Politifact ranked all the candidates on their honesty based on their statements.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/fact-checkers-confirm-hillary-clinton-is-more-honest-than-any-of-her-2016-opponents/24196/

Guess what ... Clinton actually when fact checked is the most honest. Sanders was no.2, Cruz and Trump were basically lying out their ass.

The Republicans have been smearing Hilary for 15+ years because they're afraid of her, they know the Clinton presidency was a very good one and they need to attack her and brand her in 1500 different ways.

Also a politican changing position on something over the course of 15 years is not "lying". It's simply changing a position which I would hope any sensible person would do, I don't believe everything exactly the same way as I did 20 years ago.



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Scoobes said:
COLINBATSEY said:

Well it certainly did in the last American ones, we all know the reason Obama was re elected to serve a second term and it sure as hell had nothing to do with his policies that is for sure.

I want my country back that is not racist. I want to be controlled by my own elected Government not unelected people in Brussels. I want us to be able to control our own borders and refuse entry to who we want.

Makes me laugh the Liberals will shout racist for that, but did you know the open door EU policy is stopping people we actually need coming here?

For example a non skilled worker from Poland has more chance of getting in to the UK than a highly skilled Doctor from India. Where is the fairness in that? We already have enough of our own low skilled workers we should not be importing them.

This is just one example why we need change I could go on all day.

You're very angry. I think you need to stop reading UKIP propaganda. It's mostly bullshit scapegoating of the EU for our own politicians incompetence.

Bullshit propaganda?

When you are older than 16 kid you will realise.

Why is it Farage has been right about 99.9% of things he has said? He is the only politician with balls.

Why is it he the only MEP who actually wants to get him self sacked, if we leave the EU he loses his job. The others are just in it for the gravy train.

Once you hit puberty come back to me and tell me UKIP is propaganda bullshit.

If you are old enough to remotley understand or listen to politics I take it you are one of few things, either a brain washed tree hugging student supporting Lib dems or the green party, a goldfish brain supporting Labour forgetting the mess New Labour did with Mr war crimes Blair opening up our country to invaders  or you love seeing the old, poor, ex service, disabled face cuts cuts cuts while the toffs live the high life and support cons.



Aquamarine said:
gatito said:
Trump being so high on this poll is the most frightening crap i've seen this month. Hopefully american voters will know better.

Hillary not being in prison is the most frightening thing I've seen this election cycle.

Decades of scandals and blatant corruption and lies and flip-flopping when it's politically convenient and circumventing the law...it's pretty incredible how many people (especially women and minorities) are so complacent about it. Her rise over honest, genuine politicians like Bernie Sanders absolutely REPULSES me.

I can't in good conscience vote for a candidate who completely embodies everything that is wrong with modern politicans. All of the remaining candidates in the race offer America relief from such blatant corruption----just go with someone else...ANYONE else. Yes, even Trump the populist xenophobe would be better.

The millions of Americans who will vote for Trump aren't bumbling, daft idiots----Hillary Clinton really is THAT horrible. You don't tend to hear about it outside of the USA though because the mainstream media is bought and paid for by Hillary's cronies who love to paint Hillary as a saint and Trump as the devil incarnate...but it's a HUGE problem.

Now if this were a Trump vs. Sanders race it would be much different. Trump has even stated himself that he would much rather run against Hillary because Bernie would be a much more difficult candidate to beat. Unfortunately Hillary has rigged the whole election process right from the start, so Bernie never stood a chance.

Wait a second... is there any proof of those accusations? Because i'm sure there would be a trial if there was. 

Has it occured that those are campaigns to defame her? Also, when did changing your mind become a bad thing? That is the sign of intelligence. That tells you she is a reasonable person willing to re-evaluate a difficult situation.

Look, the thing is... what i have seen of Hillary, she looks like a responsible person that advocates good causes and is respected outside of the US. When i look at Trump i see a lunatic willing to run a country to his racist whims and a laughing stock outside of the US.

What do you want for the US' future? Back to beeing a laughing stock as it was with Bush or continuing to have a respected administration like Obama's? I really don't get it.



Neither since I'm 16 and I live in Italy :p
If I were to decide I'd say Trump since there's something that bugs me about Clinton, plus I'm confident Trump is saying dumb stuff just to draw attention. I bet that if he's a bilionaire he has to have some wit in his pate...



COLINBATSEY said:
Scoobes said:

You're very angry. I think you need to stop reading UKIP propaganda. It's mostly bullshit scapegoating of the EU for our own politicians incompetence.

Bullshit propaganda?

When you are older than 16 kid you will realise.

Why is it Farage has been right about 99.9% of things he has said? He is the only politician with balls.

Why is it he the only MEP who actually wants to get him self sacked, if we leave the EU he loses his job. The others are just in it for the gravy train.

Once you hit puberty come back to me and tell me UKIP is propaganda bullshit.

If you are old enough to remotley understand or listen to politics I take it you are one of few things, either a brain washed tree hugging student supporting Lib dems or the green party, a goldfish brain supporting Labour forgetting the mess New Labour did with Mr war crimes Blair opening up our country to invaders  or you love seeing the old, poor, ex service, disabled face cuts cuts cuts while the toffs live the high life and support cons.

Yep, very angry and quite immature with a complete lack of analytical thinking or evidence based research if you think Farage's rhetoric 99.9% right. We're living in the information age where fact checking is a google search away so their is no excuse for believing the spoon-fed crap the politicians (Farage is actually one of the worst UK politicians for bullshitting) barrage us with. Farage has been blatantly wrong about a lot of what he says and simply blames all the countries ills on the EU rather than actually getting to grips with the actual issues at hand.

By the way, I'm 31 with a PhD in Biochemical Engineering and worked multiple jobs in academia and industry as well as the smaller jobs needed to support studying through Uni. Unlike you, I prefer to look at the evidence and facts rather than buying into the ideologies and rhetoric of a single party. 

I thoroughly recommend you look at many different sources of information and study the numerous reports available rather than believing the massaged statistics of your politician of choice (I don't affiliate with any party and will actively call out ideological rhetoric when I see it regardless of whether its Left or Right). 

@ bolded

You really think UKIP would be any different?



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Not of age and not American, but there is no rational reason to vote for Trump.



Deciding on who to vote for this election is like deciding on whether I'd like to be punched in my left eye or my right eye, it's going to suck either way.



found another meme. lol



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Looking at Clinton being ahead in the poll must mean there must be a lot of Chinese an Mexicans on this site. :-p



Not American, but I would definitely vote for Trump. Governments are the true enemy of the people and greedy corporations are just a peon in comparison to the threat that a power-hungry government poses. I would vote for Trump because he challenges the establishment and supports a reduced role for government.