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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Bayonetta 2 has hit 1 million sales

 

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:D 63 24.32%
 
Bayonetta 3 on NX Confirmed 138 53.28%
 
I want to more PG Games in NX 42 16.22%
 
Now Vanquish 2 or TW102 on NX 16 6.18%
 
Total:259
fleischr said:
Teeqoz said:

Haha, so we are at the point of denying verified GAF leakers now to defend our argument? Dayum

EDIT: Even better, we are using Amazon which is notoriously unreliable for software to try and dispute verified GAF NPD leakers. Boy oh boy!

However, the GAF leaker was not creamsugar - it was a totally new GAF leaker who has not since established any track record. The leak just doesn't much credibility as others.

BTW - this Amazon *monthly* - which serves as a better leading indicator of what gamers are buying than hourly charts.

It is creamsugar that leaked the numbers. He's been updating Bayonetta 2 since its release.

Bayonetta 2
     As of Nov. 28th 2015: 182k
     As of Apr. 4th 2015: 157k
     As of Jan. 3rd 2015: <135k
     As of Nov. 29th 2014: 95k
     As of Nov. 1st 2014: 68k

 



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Ballas said:
DivinePaladin said:

Since when was Bayonetta's best-in-the-genre gameplay shallow?

Best in genre is VERY subjective, don't state it as if its an undeniable truth, its not.

I played Bayonetta, the first one, and I would put DMC, GOW and MGR as having better gameplay and some of them having better level design and pacing as well. All of them have a much better story.

MGR and DMC have just as nonsensical stories; the difference is that Bayonetta and MGR don't take themselves seriously in doing so, compared to later DMC games. To say the pacing or  story in a DMC game is good is laughable, considering it's just about as self-indulgent!

 

As for gameplay, there's no argument to be had here. Bayonetta 1 came out of nowhere and perfected a genre that at that point was growing stagnant. GoW, by comparison, is one of the simpler hack and slash games, and Bayonetta absolutely trounces MGR and DMC in nuance. If you haven't gotten that you simply haven't played the game enough. You can prefer one series to another. THAT is subjective. When I say "best in the genre," I'm referring to the insane variety in the mechanics, weapons, dodges, cancels, enemy design, and so on. There's so much depth that  it's absolutely nuts, even compared to other games in the genre. Nothing comes close to Bayonetta in that regard; the closest is a distant DMC, which makes sense since it was designed by mostly the same team. 



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Ballas said:
bigtakilla said:

Definitely not the new one. Ugh...

Ofc no. I think the new DMC is good but Bayonetta was better. Really though, now that I think about it, only DMC 3 is better than Bayonetta in the entire series xD

But my point about GOW and MGR stands true, I think Bayonetta is better than the first GOW but not as good as the rest and with MGR I think Platinum really outdid themselves, had so much fun with that game even though its ridiculously short.

Its fine that you like GOW more than Bayonetta, I just hope youre not saying that the combat in GOW is deeper.



Ballas said:

MGR isn't a series but for GOW I think GOW II, GOS and III all have better gameplay, pacing, level design and story. COO was overall a better game. Bayonetta has got a smooth and great combat system, so combat wise I'd say its as good or slightly better than GOW III which had the best combat in it series. In terms of boss fights its better than some and worse than some.

But MGR and DMC 3 have better combat than Bayonetta. That said other DMC games are also better in some ways, though worse overall.

I've played all those games and tbh B1 and B2 have combat that is overall well above those other games, only DMC3 comes close to them as combat while the enhanced editions of the original Ninja Gaiden on Xbox are also not far off. MGR's problem are the enemies and the some what smaller range of depth in approach compared to the other games, it's far easier to slash away in MGR but when it comes to going into depth it's mechanics and their uses are not only in a smaller range than the other games but don't allow as much differentiation in approach.

DMC3 I can see where you're coming from but it's a different approach, DMC3 you pick a style that gives you unique tricks and you get creative with the tricks while in the Bayo games you have a massive system where you determine the combos you have access to as well as the style in approach to combat through your 2 weapon sets and accessories and then you play around with the other mechanics of the system on top of them like a sand box. Many people funny enough aren't even aware of all the mechanics in these games and I'm speaking from the POV as an avid follower of the genre who follows the community that explores the mechanics. DMC3 has plenty of variety the problem is it falls short because you can't fully mix up the system like you can in the Bayo game as it's only one style at a time and mechanics outside of the styles are limited.

No offence but I wouldn't even put the GOW series near the other games when it comes to combat, the only game that has a system that comparably can be played around with as much as the Bayo games is DMC4 when playing as Dante or Vergil but the weapon choices in the game are far more limited and again the enemies offer weak resistance to high level players. Ninja Gaiden funny enough when it comes to clashing with enemies is the series that gives both Bayonetta games a run for its money as like in the latter games NG actually feels like you're engaged with formiddable enemies who can deal with you and you can't just attack mindlessly.

Most technical action games in their mechanics are W101 and Transformers: Devastation.



fleischr said:
Boutros said:

Because in Bayonetta 2's case it's not probably overtracked. We know it's overtracked. Of course many games are under and overtracked on VGC but usually they get adjusted according to the information we have. So games which we have no official or leaked numbers can't be randomly changed. But we know Bayonetta 2 is 182k as of November 28th 2015 in the US according to NPD. VGC has it at nearly 500k at the same point in time. That's 300k overtracked in a single territory or 275% lol

But that's not original source NPD data - that's NeoGaf claiming to have NPD data. It could be real, or could be made up and not what NPD really has on file. And as good as NPD can be, they can and will at times be wrong.

Fact: Bayo 2 hit #9 for Amazon monthly October 2014, behind only Smash 3DS, CoD, and PSN giftcards. (Ahead of Shadow of Mordor! Halo!) Only selling 180k seems a bit far-fetched - even if Amazon isn't 100% representative of all game-buying, correct?

This is fundamentally ridiculous. NPD is never "wrong." 95% of their numbers are sourced directly from point-of-sale feeds from all of the major brick-and-mortar and online retailers. You can't be "wrong" when your data is comprised of actual sales receipts from the market.

Amazon is the go-to place for niche sales. Titles that proliferate on Amazon often flounder at more established retail venues like Walmart and Best Buy.

It is not a reliable indicator of NPD software sales rankings for that reason. Not to mention, there are many reasons why a random legacy title could have jumped up in the rankings. It's certainly not indicative of any trend or NPD inaccuracy.



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lonerism said:
burninmylight said:

Go ahead and ask for a Mario and Zelda compilation  for PS4 while you're at it. ;)

Nah thanks

I just want Bayo, since I originally bought it on my 360 ;)

If you want Bayo 2, you'll have to get a Wii U. Nintendo funded and published the game.



Great news for a great game! It goes right up there with Captain Toad for my favorite Wii U games. I look forward to Bayo 3 on NX!



I think that with this being overtracked according to the npd leaks we are looking at most 500-600k(depending on that new shipment did).



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Aquamarine said:

This is fundamentally ridiculous. NPD is never "wrong." 95% of their numbers are sourced directly from point-of-sale feeds from all of the major brick-and-mortar and online retailers. You can't be "wrong" when your data is comprised of actual sales receipts from the market.

Amazon is the go-to place for niche sales. Titles that proliferate on Amazon often flounder at more established retail venues like Walmart and Best Buy.

It is not a reliable indicator of NPD software sales rankings for that reason. Not to mention, there are many reasons why a random legacy title could have jumped up in the rankings. It's certainly not indicative of any trend or NPD inaccuracy.

You totally misunderstand NPD's methodology. They don't aggregate every single transaction from POS data. They build statistical models to provide estimates. They sample, and extrapolate - but there are characteristics of Bayo 2 to which NPD can very easily over-normalize inputs in providing an accurate estimate (e.g. being a mature WiiU title, the low install base, poor Japan sales, the publisher's previous release: TW101).

Add the noise of the NPD data being handed down not by NPD itself, but by a forum with only a little more credibility than VGC and you can see why I remain skeptical.

The top 10 - 20 retail titles for Amazon monthly do tend to fall in a pretty similar order as NPD and largely made up of mainstream titles. While niche titles do top the the hourly, the monthly/yearly figures do end up closely resembling  NPD.

The truth is that Bayo 2 was and still is yet a a leading piece of the gaming mindshare. It's now a highly valued IP to the dedicated army of Nintendo fans that show up for 1st party releases. To say it's sold less than 200k is far out of step with the game's prominence and vibrant community. 700k+ WW is way more believable.



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