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SuaveSocialist said:
Lawlight said:

Are they? Seems like. Seems like a steep drop from Age of Ultron to me.

Indeed they are.  It's on pace to outdo Winter Soldier by 344M, which in turn outpaced First Avenger by 344M.  They managed to turn a franchise around from a film that lagged behind Superman Returns to a contender for a place among the coveted Top Ten Grossing Movies of All Time.  

Any expectations it would be competing against the Avengers would have been completely misplaced considering that

1) The original plan was to compete head to head against Battle v Superman, but DC recognized a stinker when they saw one and rushed the opening release by about 2 months to avoid a box office bomb.  The division of audiences would have resulted in Civil War performing lower than it currently achieves---and initially there was expectation to be directly challenging X-Men: Apocalypse even sooner.  Optimistically speaking, Captain America would only haul about 800M (though BvS would have likely only taken 500-650M).

2) It was released in 20 fewer territories and had less of an advertising push than Age of Ultron, by itself rendering it inevitable to fall short of this.

3) The Chinese government frowns on anything with "America" in the title, so the execs knew right from the moment they called this movie "Captain America" and not "The Avengers" that they were going to be alienating a sizable portion of the largest Foreign territory.

If anyone is sad, it is this guy:

And maybe Snyder if he gets thrown out of the Director's Chair for his crimes against cinema.  And certainly everyone who spent money on making BvS, thinking that it would be a competitor against The Avengers.

Do you have an internal source that we don't have? In my opinion, they aren't. The rumour was that they weren't happy with Age of Ultron which saw its gross being a 7.5% from Avengers. Now why would they be happy with Civil War when it cost as much as Ultron and made much less?

2. I'm sure the $1M it would have made in those 20 territories would have made a big difference.

3. Disney didn't think the America name was a problem for China, otherwise they would have changed the name like they did in Russia.

I think Disney are starting to worry about superhero fatigue now. They gave CW everything to match the Avengers - even shoehorned in Spider-Man in the movie and made a big deal out of him being in the movie even though he's just a glorified cameo. Still didn't help.



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Lawlight said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Indeed they are.  It's on pace to outdo Winter Soldier by 344M, which in turn outpaced First Avenger by 344M.  They managed to turn a franchise around from a film that lagged behind Superman Returns to a contender for a place among the coveted Top Ten Grossing Movies of All Time.  

Any expectations it would be competing against the Avengers would have been completely misplaced considering that

1) The original plan was to compete head to head against Battle v Superman, but DC recognized a stinker when they saw one and rushed the opening release by about 2 months to avoid a box office bomb.  The division of audiences would have resulted in Civil War performing lower than it currently achieves---and initially there was expectation to be directly challenging X-Men: Apocalypse even sooner.  Optimistically speaking, Captain America would only haul about 800M (though BvS would have likely only taken 500-650M).

2) It was released in 20 fewer territories and had less of an advertising push than Age of Ultron, by itself rendering it inevitable to fall short of this.

3) The Chinese government frowns on anything with "America" in the title, so the execs knew right from the moment they called this movie "Captain America" and not "The Avengers" that they were going to be alienating a sizable portion of the largest Foreign territory.

In my opinion, they aren't

The original plan was to compete head to head against Battle v Superman, but DC recognized a stinker when they saw one and rushed the opening release by about 2 months to avoid a box office bomb.  The division of audiences would have resulted in Civil War performing lower than it currently achieves---and initially there was expectation to be directly challenging X-Men: Apocalypse even sooner.  Optimistically speaking, Captain America would only haul about 800M (though BvS would have likely only taken 500-650M).

Heck, they didn't even decide to go with the Civil War story until BvS was announced; the whole thing from its inception was a response to DC.  And Disney won in every category.  War is over.

If they aren't the sorts to be happy with 1B, they wouldn't have been the sorts who were willing to divide their audience against BvS and X-Men.  Balance of probabilities.  DC slinking away resulted in an unexpected surplus of hundreds of millions.  Competing with Avengers was never part of their agenda, and you don't need an internal source to deduce this.  Their marketing strategy and choice of release date are wildly inconsistent with that of Avengers, Age of Ultron and anyone who'd want to compete against them.

BvS on the other hand?  Well, one would have to be experiencing severe Cognitive Dissonance to think the folks behind that mess are in a better mood than the folks at Disney.



SuaveSocialist said:

Please note the date and time: it is now official.  Captain America: Civil War has surpassed Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice in every category.  

 

Here's the breakdown:

Domestic Gross: 347.4M vs 328.4M
Foreign Gross: 706.1M vs 541.8M
Worldwide Total: 1.0535B to 0.8702B.  In the top 25, it is poised to knock the Dark Knight Rises (1.0849B)down a peg and now competes with Iron Man 3's 1.2154B.

But that's not all.  In addition to be a commercial success, it is a critical success as well, killing Batman and Superman faster than you can say "Martha".

Rotten Tomatoes
Tomatometer: 90% vs 27%
Average Critical Review: 7.6/10 vs 4.9/10
Fresh Reviews: 275/307 vs 91/332
Audience Score: 91% vs 67% 
Audience Review: 4.4/5 vs 3.6/5

IMDB: 8.4/10 vs 7.1/10
MetaCritic: 75% vs 44%

This is an uncontested smackdown against the biggest heavy hitters of the DCU.  BvS could have great, and indeed it should have, instead it is the latest to showcase how not to make a superhero movie.  The 90's had Batman and Robin.  Then came Daredevil.  This decade it is BvS.  

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This one is for the tinfoil hatters out there (you know who you are).

I agree with you on most of everything except for a few things. First, Daredevil wasn't the worst superhero movie of the 2000's. Catwoman was far worse. In the 2010's, Batman v. Superman isn't the worst either. In fact, I thought it was decent and I think it gets way too much hate. If anything, the 2015 Fantastic 4 movie is the one you can compare to the likes of Batman and Robin. That movie was a trainwreck in slow motion. I say that because you never heard anything good about the movie even long before it its release.



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Jon-Erich said:

This is an uncontested smackdown against the biggest heavy hitters of the DCU.  BvS could have great, and indeed it should have, instead it is the latest to showcase how not to make a superhero movie.  The 90's had Batman and Robin.  Then came Daredevil Catwoman.  This decade it is BvS.  

How do you feel?

 

 

This one is for the tinfoil hatters out there (you know who you are).

 

I agree with you on most of everything except for a few things. First, Daredevil wasn't the worst superhero movie of the 2000's. Catwoman was far worse. In the 2010's, Batman v. Superman isn't the worst either. In fact, I thought it was decent and I think it gets way too much hate. If anything, the 2015 Fantastic 4 movie is the one you can compare to the likes of Batman and Robin. That movie was a trainwreck in slow motion. I say that because you never heard anything good about the movie even long before it its release.

Forgot about Catwoman.  Gonna edit that.  F4ntastic or whatever the Hell it was called was awful, and if not for BvS, that movie would definitely be the cautionary tale of the decade (thus far).



SuaveSocialist said:
Jon-Erich said:

I agree with you on most of everything except for a few things. First, Daredevil wasn't the worst superhero movie of the 2000's. Catwoman was far worse. In the 2010's, Batman v. Superman isn't the worst either. In fact, I thought it was decent and I think it gets way too much hate. If anything, the 2015 Fantastic 4 movie is the one you can compare to the likes of Batman and Robin. That movie was a trainwreck in slow motion. I say that because you never heard anything good about the movie even long before it its release.

Forgot about Catwoman.  Gonna edit that.  F4ntastic or whatever the Hell it was called was awful, and if not for BvS, that movie would definitely be the cautionary tale of the decade (thus far).

Steel is worse than Catwoman. Trust me on this.



d21lewis said:
SuaveSocialist said:

Forgot about Catwoman.  Gonna edit that.  F4ntastic or whatever the Hell it was called was awful, and if not for BvS, that movie would definitely be the cautionary tale of the decade (thus far).

Steel is worse than Catwoman. Trust me on this.

Elektra has everything beat



Marvel movies are enjoyable but samey for me, I don't know I'm finally getting bored of the Marvel Formula and Tone I guess and want them to move on. Seen every Marvel Film since Iron Man 1 except Civil War and Ant-Man, don't have the hype or interest anymore, they all feel so similair.

DC are just doing a terrible job with films....

DC's TV is the superhero media I enjoy the most atm.



Angelus said:
d21lewis said:

Steel is worse than Catwoman. Trust me on this.

Elektra has everything beat

No D21lewis is correct. Steel is the worst. It's not even close.