LurkerJ said:
Superman told both WW and Batman: "he is from my world". What else could that mean besides doomsday being from krypton?
He told Them, yes, he didn't tell Lois Lane, so how did she know to go for the spear?
Why do you want Superman to give the spear to wonder woman? He wasn't gonna ask her to do the job because she seemed stronger than Superman in that fight, it would be un"superman"ish to ask someone to do such a dangerous mission on his behalf.
Because it's an absolutely stupid thing to do to sacrifice yourself when there is someone more suited to the job. this just makes Superman look like an idiot in his desire to be a martyr. I get it, Christ Allegory and sacrifice, but it was still super stupid.
"I thought she was with you". Wonder Woman just blocked a beam coming from Doomsday, similar to the one Superman shoots. Afterwards, she performed a superhero special move lol. It's very logical of Batman to think she is related to Superman. It doesn't necessarily mean that Batman was implying she is on Superman's side.
That is not even close to a good enough reason. WAY too much twisting of logic here. Batman called for Wonder Woman by sending her the flash drive. He knew she was with him.
Maybe Lios was trying to hide the spear? And not just throw it?
How so? IT's absolutely stupid that she'd throw it in that puddle. It's a glowing green rod. Anyone with powers enough to seek it could scan for it, anyone with eyes could view it with ease, and Superman was already flying far, far away when she did it so it wasn't like she was getting it away from him to save him. He was already gone and safe; Her throwing it in the puddle did nothing at all for the stories or characters except make an excuse for her to be in peril later so Superman could once again save her.
You want Superman to say "SAVE MY MOM" when Superman doesn't even belong to earth. How would Batman even realize that his mom is on earth?
Well yeah, I wanted him to say that. "Save my mother" would have been three words that would have served the same purpose of getting Batman to feel empathy for him while also ensuring the character spoke in a way that isn't convoluted and unnatural. Seriously, imagine shouting your mother's name when you were about to die. Nobody does that, and that "Save Martha!" Line, like the stupidity of Lois Lane throwing the spear to the puddle, served only to set up a scene, and made no sense within the context of its own movie. it was there solely to tie into batman's mother, when the same thing could have been accomplished without stupid twisted speech styles. It's just bad writing trying to shoehorn in a bit of nerd trivia.
......Not that I think these are legitimate reasons to hate the movie but seriously, find better things to criticize. Like the fact why in the world didn't Batman and Superman just try to talk it out, that's a good thing to label as stupid, that's an actual problem that made the movie look dumb and you have a point there, but it's diluted with unnecessary nitpicking..
Exactly. That goes further with the "Save MArtha" Line. I know batman was angry, but it makes no sense that he just wanted to be buddies because Superman's mom was named martha. in Civil War, on multiple occasions, Iron Man and Captain America try to talk it out. "Work with me, Rogers", Stark says as he gets visibly angry, knowing what he has to do. These people are friends, allies who have fought side by side, and they TRY to work out their issues without violence rather than setting up elaborate traps and violent attempts to kill one another based on rage. The civil war issues raised are actually not clear, both sides have a point, whereas with Batman v Superman, it could have been as simple as "hey, you're scared of me, I'm dangerous, I get it, but in the effort to save more lives, they have my mother tied up. Can we deal with that now and fight later? I don't want to kill you." Instead, it's all threats like "You would be dead if I wanted it" and other pseudo manchild posturing.
I mean, if those kind of things you consider as "plotholes" then please. Do explain how on earth black panther was in a jet following the others without being noticed by all those smarties? Black widow is with guards in a sealed vechile and she comes out unscathed? Arguing for hours over the right way to reduce collateral damage and yet they are blowing up the airport? Scarlet Witch left alone in that fight so that she convenietly interferes when it's the right moment for her to interfere. If the goal was to stop them from reaching the jet or the plane, why didn't just destroy that right away? It's not like they had a problem with leaving wreckage behind..... I am sure I can nitpick on more stuff but it's been a week since I watch the movie.
Allow me to give a point by point breakdown:
1 - Black Panther is as technologically advanced as Stark with even more resources at his disposal. Stealth is his thing
2 - Willing suspense of disbelief (I agree this was dumb, but forgiveable in the same vein as nobody knowing who Superman is)
3 - Stark evacuated the airport to ensure no casualties would come to anyone, and can afford to fix the damage
4 - She's the scarlet witch, her ability is reality manipulation. That's what she does, and she's the most powerful one there.
5 - She also doesn't want to hurt or kill anyone, which she could do. all of them were holding back, not one (Except Panther) were in it to kill.
I can tell you this, both movies are far from being logical and tight.
You are condescending to people who liked BvS telling them there is NOTHING TO LIKE ABOUT IT and when they tell you why you throw a list of mainly non-issues to prove the movie sucks, just lol
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