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Will the NX be less powerfull

Nope, more Powerfull then PS4 187 48.32%
 
It will be between Wii U and Ps4 157 40.57%
 
It will be less powerfull then Wii U 43 11.11%
 
Total:387
theARTIST0017 said:
hoala said:

their current releases prooving that gameplay/gimmick is more importent for them then graphics (star fox zero).

what? what does star fox zero, a game developed by Platinum have anything to do with the nx?

and who told you nintendo prefers gimmicks over graphics? such bufoonery!

did you REALLY dont get that? Like really? lol.

Star fox Zero is codeveloped by Nintendo and Platinum Games. NINTENDO obviously WANTED that 2 screen "gimmick" feature.

Rendering 2 screesn at 60 fps simoulteansly does need ALOT performance. Thats why STar fox Zero looks like a wii game.

 

So gimmick (dual screens) is more important for Nintendo as graphical look.



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Ljink96 said:
Player2 said:

And it launched at 400$, way more than a Nintendo console should.

Even with its good sales and PS+ subscriptions Sony's gaming division profits aren't too high, and Nintendo is aiming for big profits. This means selling as many (of their) games as they can. To achieve this goal both releasing games at a faster pace and reaching a larger amount of customers is the way to go, and a cheaper and weaker console helps in both fronts.

Who's to say Nintendo consoles can't be in the upper price range? If they change their hardware choices to include a blu-ray player, and have up to par graphics...that'd basically be a PS4. Nintendo used to have the more expensive console, it wasn't until other companies included other media apps and players that development costs increased, thus an increase in price. You can make a PS4 comparable system and sell it for $300 now. I'd pay 400 for a Nintendo console so long as it's modern.

I do agree that Nintendo makes most of its profit off software and a low price hardware brings down that barrier to entry, but it's possible to have a moderately priced console and sell a killer amount of software. The PS4 and GTAV as one example. People will pay for a good game console with good games. Nintendo's own fanbase as of now has dwindeld down because of their lack of the ability to be modern. The NX needs 3rd parties to survive successfully. It's been the downfall of every great company. If you don't have 3rd party support, which is directly related to how your console performs power/sales wise, your console is sunk. i.e. Dreamcast, Saturn, Atari5200 and 7800, Gamegear, Lynx, 32X, Jaguar, and now Wii U.

Nintendo can hit hard, and they have. But they could hit harder with hardware that caters to everyone, while maintaining a modest price which is what the PS4 is doing and why it's sold 40 Million over Wii U's 13 Million with a 1 year headstart. I understand how Nintendo has operated in the past but things change and if Nintendo isn't willing to adopt industry standards, they minds well pack up their hardware business.

Third party multiplats aren't coming regardless of how powerful NX is. Wii U is more powerful than the PS3 and 360 yet it's first half of 2013 was barren meanwhile PS3 and 360 were getting games.

To be successful a console needs a constant stream of games. PS4 has the entire gaming industry making games for it, so Sony doesn't have to care about being able to support it properly by themselves. Nintendo doesn't have that luxury.

If Nintendo makes a powerful system and uses that power, what they get is a higher likelihood of software droughts due to longer dev cycles and less assets that can be ported between the handheld and the home console versions of their games, that's the opposite of what they're trying to achieve. Game development becomes more expensive too. If they don't use it, they're just losing customers by rising the entry barrier.



Soundwave said:
If it's not powerful I think quite frankly it will be ignored by most third parties. I think Nintendo's kinda had their three strikes with the third party community and if they bring another "too cute, underpowered console that requires a bunch of hoops to jump through because it's so different from the PS4" ... it's simply just going to get ignored outright.

Wii U was kinda their last chance to make things right and that failed miserably, they're unlikely to be given another benefit of the doubt.

So I mean that's fine, if Nintendo is prepared to support the system with like 70% of its software (assuming it's a home console).

with weak hardware that very possible.

Lets face it, third party will be VERY hard for Nintendo. And brand new concept doesnt sound like "hey we now have a ps4 that can play nintendo games and all third party titles).

it wasnt the wii u´s power that made third party support go.

The wii u is stronger then ps3/x360. It could easily handle games like GTA 5, Metal Gear Solid 5, COD Advanced Warfare, Fifa 14,15, Battlefield 4, Crysis 3, Shadow of mordor, Assassins Creed rogue and more.

The problem is just that wii u owners (most likely nintendo console owners in general) arnt really interested in third party titltes and didnt bought them.

 

With a weak and cheap hardware NX could be the perfect 2ndery console the wiiu never was (because as expensive as ps4 = not gonna be a secondary console).

On weak hardware its also easier to develop more games (because each games wont be as demanding in general).



AZWification said:

We already know the CPU is going to be slightly better than the PS4 and XB1's CPUs, so who knows.

interesting source?



hoala said:

Alright.

But why are there that many more 3ds games compared to wii u games? Because 3ds games are alot easier to make (because the 3ds has inferior hardware it cant even handle high end graphics/much details and co).

Just imagine the differences in faces between Ps2 and Ps4. A face for a ps2 game was probl done in some hours but for an Ps4 game they are working days/weeks on all small details, textures and co.

 

Nintendo doesnt have THAT many and THAT big first party studios.

With weaker hardware they will be able to create MORE not AS good looking games.

More first party games + cheaper console priece = more sales.

3DS is the perfect proove. Sure the games didnt looked as good as on wii u but the system was cheaper and has more games. And it sold way better.

All in all im sure nintendo put MORE ressources in game development on Wii U as on 3ds. Just because they need 10x as many ressources to make a zelda wii then a triforce heroes the wii u had less games.

Nintendoi don't have to push everyone on of their games to look like  The Order 1886 tech demo's types, They could keep Mario Kart, Smash level and style of graphics whilst having the specs openly higher for third party or multiplats to push the graphical level of the system.



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hoala said:
AZWification said:

We already know the CPU is going to be slightly better than the PS4 and XB1's CPUs, so who knows.

interesting source?

It's not anything official ( yet at least) but there was on GAF a user, by the name of LCGeek, who in the past has leaked Information regarding the GameCube and Wii CPUs on the Beyond3D forum ( if I'm not mistaken), who said something along the lines of: " NX CPU>>> XB1 CPU>>PS4 CPU". It might turn out to be bs, but so far I'm inclined to believe him. 



                
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WoodenPints said:

Nintendoi don't have to push everyone on of their games to look like  The Order 1886 tech demo's types, They could keep Mario Kart, Smash level and style of graphics whilst having the specs openly higher for third party or multiplats to push the graphical level of the system.

Yeah and if third party support wouldn work (like on wii u) they have a system with hardware they arnt even using but that costs alot money. great idea :D Nintendo will never rely that much on 3rd parties.



If its not more powerfull then the PS4 and its released 3 years later when its clear the current consoles are not very powerfull to begin with.... and they want to support it for 5+ years, its just another Wii U at that point




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malistix1985 said:
If its not more powerfull then the PS4 and its released 3 years later when its clear the current consoles are not very powerfull to begin with.... and they want to support it for 5+ years, its just another Wii U at that point

Well look at smartphones. They are weaker then a ps4 but you can make much easier money on them, even with gaming. I think Nintendo is aiming for something similar.



AAA300 said:
hoala said:

nx was planned by iwata. I doubt the new president changed the whole concept just some month after the got the position. That might happen with the NX successor.

It's already happening! Zelda was delayed to be a launch title for NX in 2016 so by looking at that we know the NX was a 2016 holiday goal for launch. Then after the investors meeting they announced Zelda is moved to March 2017 ! With that info we can assume NX has been delayed to March from a original 2016 launch! Why is that important? Because if there making a weaker cheaper console they would and should have hit there 2016 goal as they stated in a previous investors meeting of NX contributing to profits in 2016. So I would assume there are some changes happening with a new president in charge. I thought it was going to be more powerful than ps4, but with this new delay I think they may be beefing it up a little bit more to counter the ps4k/xbox1.5 .

A little bit like what M$ did when they saw the spec of the PS4, they clocked higher their CPU.