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Ps4 will...

Surpass the Ps2, lifetime sales, 150m+ 98 12.76%
 
Surpass the Ps1, lifetime sales 102m+ 353 45.96%
 
Surpass the Ps3, lifetime sales 90m+ 179 23.31%
 
Sell less than 90 million. 138 17.97%
 
Total:768
Swordmasterman on 03 May 2016
KBG29 said:
It is amazing how many people think this platform is going to have trouble passing the PS2. This is a completely different ball game, and a much larger market.PlayStation is no longer in the traditional console business. PlayStation is now part of the Optimized PC/Smart Device market.

Neo is just the start of new devices running on the PlayStation OS. There will be many more PlayStation OS devices launched in the future, all of which will add to the PS4 or PlayStation userbase. As, some other members have been saying, the days of starting over at Zero are over. Sony knows this as well, and that is why they built PS4 as a scalable platform, which will be supported for many, many more years that a traditional console.

PS4 will be the first console to sell 200M over its multiple itterations, and it will most likely be the first 300M console as well. Don't be surpised if wee see a handheld/phone based on the PS4 tech, in the next year or two, along with a tablet/laptop to round out the offerings. Sony is creating their version of iOS built around gaming, and entertainment, and they know they need 100's of millions of users across multiple device, in a unified ecosystem, if they want to stay relevient. So far they are making all of the right moves.

I Don't think that this is the case, they will just wait and release the PS5 Anyway, like the PS1, PS2, and PS3, had multiple versions, and still had a sucessor, when Sales decline, they will launch something 100% New, otherwise the competition would get all the costumers away from Sony, the PS2, still sold 60+ Millions after PS3's Launch, even so the Xbox 360, and Wii, sold more in the same time.



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Swordmasterman on 03 May 2016
KLAMarine said:
Pemalite said:

He is obviously not a PC gamer. Otherwise he would know better.

Yeah, I'm doubtful considering plenty of PC games flourish on PC without the need for consoles. Loads of successful franchises get their start on PC. FPS games are very popular on consoles and yet the genre got its start on PC.

Without Money it cannot evolve, even if  is a good game, The Elder Scrolls, The Witcher, Far Cry, got bigger when launched for Consoles, because the Budget was much bigger,  The Witcher 3's Developer stated that the game would not be possible (With this, he means in the Size that the game is today) without the Budget that was avaliable because of the Consoles.



TheBlackNaruto on 03 May 2016
Soundwave said:
Probably not, though I do think PS4 sales will be inflated now because you're going to have a lot of PS4.5 double dippers so the end result will look higher even if the unique users isn't.

But doesn't that apply to EVERY console ever made? Double dippers.....Heck I alone bought 4 PS3s last gen one for me in my roon, one for my living room/entertainment area, one for my son and one for my nephew. So unique users is kind of an irrelevant number when it comes to even the PS2 155 million I mean it is kind of obvious those sales have double, triple etc dippers right lol.



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KLAMarine on 03 May 2016
John2290 said:
KLAMarine said:

Yeah, I'm doubtful considering plenty of PC games flourish on PC without the need for consoles. Loads of successful franchises get their start on PC. FPS games are very popular on consoles and yet the genre got its start on PC.

Well he is right though, without the size of the console market it would either be a slow ass industry lacking the money to further graphics or scope

And yet PC graphical capabilities, by their very nature, are always ahead of consoles.

John2290 said:

Steam would not exist in it current formand Imagine pitching GTA5 to a boardroom full of suits to the score of 250+billion budget with the user base of that of the PC before steam....lol.

That's okay: bloated game budgets don't make good games. Maybe you haven't noticed yet but I happen to dislike GTA 5. Its overly huge budget didn't make it a good game.



TheBlackNaruto on 03 May 2016
John2290 said:
TheBlackNaruto said:

But doesn't that apply to EVERY console ever made? Double dippers.....Heck I alone bought 4 PS3s last gen one for me in my roon, one for my living room/entertainment area, one for my son and one for my nephew. So unique users is kind of an irrelevant number when it comes to even the PS2 155 million I mean it is kind of obvious those sales have double, triple etc dippers right lol.

You started me thinking on how many consoles I've had and got through three ps1's, three PS2's. three Ps3's, three X360's and my PS4 is getting replaced withing the year so make that two of them. Strange indead, never atually thought about that...three Laptops so far, three PC's and holy balls, three Tv's that I paid for. Wow, this is freaking me out man, three cars, three aparments (again, that I've paid for), Three seperate drug addictions, three cats one of which had three kittens, three guitars, three DSLR cameras....holy shit, I'm on my third of everything, I've reinvented my whole life three times over. theres tons more...fucking crazy weird. Third page of this thread.

CTHU!!!! Hey that's why I never understood it when people says some sales don't count because people bought more than one...heck haven't we all. And 3 is the number of your FATE O_O!!!



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Pemalite on 03 May 2016
Swordmasterman said:
KLAMarine said:

Yeah, I'm doubtful considering plenty of PC games flourish on PC without the need for consoles. Loads of successful franchises get their start on PC. FPS games are very popular on consoles and yet the genre got its start on PC.

Without Money it cannot evolve, even if  is a good game, The Elder Scrolls, The Witcher, Far Cry, got bigger when launched for Consoles, because the Budget was much bigger,  The Witcher 3's Developer stated that the game would not be possible (With this, he means in the Size that the game is today) without the Budget that was avaliable because of the Consoles.


Crysis 2 and 3 sold worst than Crysis 1 which was a PC exclusive (Which hit 3+ million copies sold). - Eventually they ported Crysis 1 over to the Crysis 2 engine, but the series never managed to get the same sales as the first game on PC.

There are also games which are simply impossible on console for one reason or another and thus dominate sales on PC. (I am looking at you RTS, hack and slash, MMO, MOBA and more.)

And let's not forget that without the PC, the original Xbox, Playstation 3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Playstation 4, Wii U would have been impossible from a hardware perspective, it's PC gamers that fund the bulk of R&D that goes into hardware development every year, the same cannot be said in reverse.

PC games also tend to have longer legs, games often go on discount and hit the top of the sales chart sometimes even a decade after their release, on console they tend to fall into obscurity, this the Witcher 3 may have sold better on console initially, but what about in another 10 years time when it's still selling on PC?

The PC has more gamers and more coin floating around, it's a bigger platform than any other singular platform with the exception of mobile, Blizzard and Valve have proven how successfull games can be one after the other when they play to the PC's strengths.



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Swordmasterman on 04 May 2016
Pemalite said:
Swordmasterman said:

Without Money it cannot evolve, even if  is a good game, The Elder Scrolls, The Witcher, Far Cry, got bigger when launched for Consoles, because the Budget was much bigger,  The Witcher 3's Developer stated that the game would not be possible (With this, he means in the Size that the game is today) without the Budget that was avaliable because of the Consoles.


Crysis 2 and 3 sold worst than Crysis 1 which was a PC exclusive (Which hit 3+ million copies sold). - Eventually they ported Crysis 1 over to the Crysis 2 engine, but the series never managed to get the same sales as the first game on PC.

There are also games which are simply impossible on console for one reason or another and thus dominate sales on PC. (I am looking at you RTS, hack and slash, MMO, MOBA and more.)

And let's not forget that without the PC, the original Xbox, Playstation 3, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Playstation 4, Wii U would have been impossible from a hardware perspective, it's PC gamers that fund the bulk of R&D that goes into hardware development every year, the same cannot be said in reverse.

PC games also tend to have longer legs, games often go on discount and hit the top of the sales chart sometimes even a decade after their release, on console they tend to fall into obscurity, this the Witcher 3 may have sold better on console initially, but what about in another 10 years time when it's still selling on PC?

The PC has more gamers and more coin floating around, it's a bigger platform than any other singular platform with the exception of mobile, Blizzard and Valve have proven how successfull games can be one after the other when they play to the PC's strengths.

PC's great legs is just a Delay of what the console can do on Launch, you think that is nice for a Developer have to wait Years to get the money they would get on Launch with Consoles ?, Crysis is a exception, Diablo, Fallout, The Elder Scrolls, Far Cry, The Sims, also sold well on Consoles.

Neverwinter, Heros of Storm, Overwatch, are MMO, Moba, and are on console, the Biggest Hack & Slash franchises are of the consoles, Bayonetta, Devil May Cry, Castlevania, God of War.

Your Statement that MMO, Moba, Hack & Slash, don't make success on Consoles is completely wrong,  i think that Blizzard's Heros of the Storm, already have more than 1 Million of players just on PS4, and we have other games like ARC, World of Tanks, coming for Consoles.

And you think that a Game Selling 5 Millions of units 60US$ at Retail, is worse than selling 8 Millions of Units Digital, Droping the price every now and then ?, in The end the Average copie's price is 8-11US$, Steam, eat 30% of it, i Don't think that Retail eat so much to make Digital More profitable with Years of wait, and Most of the companies are not willing to invest in Video Game  to receive the Money Years later, out there have better investments that give money Faster, and some companies would Starve to death, before the game begin to sell on PC.



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cutzman25 on 04 May 2016

I just dont think the console will be around for that long. tech is upgrading soo fast now that they are bound to make something next that will stop sales of the PS4. Im going to say around 100 million



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Swordmasterman on 04 May 2016
cutzman25 said:
I just dont think the console will be around for that long. tech is upgrading soo fast now that they are bound to make something next that will stop sales of the PS4. Im going to say around 100 million

I Don't think that Tech is evolving faster than it once was, the difference is that now we have Internet, we have information, do you really think that in 20 Years, in the console market we will see the same jump that we had with the Nintendo 64, Saturn, PS1, to the PS4, Wii U, Xbox One, with the Next consoles ?.