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Train wreck said:
Acevil said:

Which had nothing to do with the fact that it was because someone who ran the thing stepped down (Howard something). Trainwreck you all of people should know why certain decisions happen. Nintendo isn't exactly strapped with debt and cash issues. They have problems for sure, but it is not the same, and you know it. 

Howard Lincoln could have easily appointed a new successor to run the franchise.  I never said anything about Nintendo being strapped with debt or having cash issues, I just said it was surprising that they are donig this capital raise (which it is).

Well the original context that I was talking about this being comporable to the Sony situation and I view them as two seperate situation. I would compare it to something but I really do not know a company more mismatched between Nintendo owning a baseball team. The whole reason they owned it is because the chairman bought it with his own money, and somewhere it transititioned to Nintendo and they most likely kept it because Howard Lincoln was incharge. 

Again do not get me wrong, Nintendo has issues, a lot of issues, but Sony's problem when it sold those buildings and Nintendo selling this off are not really the same. 



 

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Shadow1980 said:
The difference was that the Xbox wasn't really a failure (it came in second in the U.S. in the 6th generation), and the 360 was simply rushed to market. The Wii U, meanwhile, has only sold a bit over half what the Xbox did lifetime, and the NX is replacing a system that is dead sales-wise.

The XBox was worse than dead though. It was sold at a big loss with no way to make the system cheaper due to NVidia not budging on the price of the components. The XBox lost MS nearly 4 billion in the end. Pretty expensive foot in the door. Afaik Nintendo is still making money with the WiiU.
MS needed to switch to 360 asap, although it cost them over a billion more loss.



bigtakilla said:
It's not really the same. Xbox to 360 was 4 years. Wii U to NX is 4.5 years (roughly).

However, the OG Xbox had some killer releases in the year or two leading up to the 360's arrival. Halo 2, GTA: San Andreas, Fable...

While the last month or two has been rather good for WiiU releases, it's literally down to #FE and Paper Mario to drag the WiiU up to Zelda U's arrival nearly a year from now.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

We'll have to wait and see if NX gets a RROD equivalent at launch and annoys the hell out of most early adopters.



fleischr said:
bigtakilla said:
It's not really the same. Xbox to 360 was 4 years. Wii U to NX is 4.5 years (roughly).

However, the OG Xbox had some killer releases in the year or two leading up to the 360's arrival. Halo 2, GTA: San Andreas, Fable...

While the last month or two has been rather good for WiiU releases, it's literally down to #FE and Paper Mario to drag the WiiU up to Zelda U's arrival nearly a year from now.

That we know of, sure.



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If it is getting less than the 360 (don't really know the scope), a reason could be that it already happened before..



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Shadow1980 said:
SvennoJ said:

The XBox was worse than dead though. It was sold at a big loss with no way to make the system cheaper due to NVidia not budging on the price of the components. The XBox lost MS nearly 4 billion in the end. Pretty expensive foot in the door. Afaik Nintendo is still making money with the WiiU.
MS needed to switch to 360 asap, although it cost them over a billion more loss.

On the other hand, them rushing to get the 360 out of the door when they did may have been the cause of the high failure rates, which eventually cost MS another billion-plus dollars. It might have been better for them and the customers if they had waited another year.

That's what I meant with the extra 1.15 Billion loss.
Yet it was estimated that when XBox hit $299, the BOM was still $425. So every 8 million sales would cost MS 1 billion. Kinda made the decision to risk it with rushed hardware easy. Better spend that billion on a console you're going forward with.



The original XBox was doing well market wise as 2003 and 2004 went along ... it was starting to in the US at least sell on par with the PS2 more and more regularly and Halo 2 was a big, big hit and it had broken Sony's exclusivity on Grand Theft Auto too.

But the design of the XBox and the deal they made with Nvidia was costing them to bleed a lot of money because those components had fixed prices (a rookie mistake by MS).



PwerlvlAmy said:
Acevil said:

It is funny, I see more criticism for the NX existing and how nintendo abadoned the Wii U, than I ever did the original Xbox. 

exactly lol

 

criticism is way more ruthless and in abundance for Nintendo/NX than it ever was for the xbox

I would doubt that most people here on vgchartz are old enough to really remember what was going on back in 2005.  The news that MS was dropping the Xbox already was shocking to many Xbox owners at that time.  It was not as big of deal comparitively, because MS was a newcomer still.  The internet was around, but the massive amount of websites and forums today give people a lot more visible place to show their displeasure.  That's why it would "seem" that the WiiU is getting more grief.



It is near the end of the end....

Microsoft didn't delay Halo 2 to the 360, so there's no comparison.