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Einsam_Delphin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Point is that Super Mario 3D World is much better received and bringed way more attention to platform than NSMBU.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/wii-u/super-mario-3d-world

 

Sales of some game dont equal impact they have on system. Mario Galaxy is considered for best Wii game and one best games last gen even if New Super Mario Bros. sold much better (but true is that NSMB was bundled while Mario Galaxy wasnt).

 

But not significantly so. Irrelevant point anyway, since game quality/minority forum go-ers opinions do not directly correlate with sales for either the software or the hardware. Great/forum loved games can sell like crap while crap/forum hated games can sell amazingly.

"Sales of some game dont equal impact they have on system. " Stop saying this nonsense if you can't provide proof. I've already explained how sales are the only way to tell. Also you're insane if you're trying to tell me Galaxy did more for the Wii than NSMBWii, and if you are atleast provide proof since the sales clearly say otherwise. Actually don't, those games aren't relevant for determing these franchises relevance nowadays. Just explain to me how cold hard sales data doesn't matter at all/less than minority opinions that have no direct correlation to sales.

Actually 93 metascore is singnafitly better than 84. And it not only about forums, 3D Mario game brings way more attention to platform than any 2D platformer, but you can keep deny that. It not about fourms only, reality is that 3D Mario World is great game and one of best games on Wii U.

 

'Super Mario 3D World' is the best reason to own a Wii U

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/22/5133098/super-mario-3d-world-review

You will have hard time finding similar article for NSMBU.

 

When you can prove that I am wrong you can say I am saying nonsense. Can you prove that I am wrong when I say "Sales of some game dont equal impact they have on system"!? No, sales of games does not equals impact they have on sales of that system, you didn't provide anything to disprove that. Again, you did not prove anything with sales numbers of games, espacial with heavy bundled games. Nintendo Land sold more than Splatoon, 3D Mario World, Mario Maker and Smash Bros 4, buy your pont Nintendo Land had much better impact on console than any of those games beacuse it sold more copies.



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Miyamotoo said:
zorg1000 said:

Internet hype doesnt mean anything, vocal forum goers do not represent the overall market.

And again what do you have to support the theory that 3D Mario is a bigger system seller than 2D Mario? If you cant back up that statement than it means nothing.

Question for you, what do you think will have better impact on NX, to release for instance Super Mario Galaxy 3 at launch or 1st year or to release something similar to NSMBU?

neither, it doesnt matter if the launch lineup is Zelda+2D Mario+casual minigame or Zelda+3D Mario+casual minigame, the result will be nearly the same.



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Boberkun said:
Here's my prediction: fuck you, Nintendo.

Me too, unless Nintendo bring it, new franchises aimed at a mature auidence's have ya Mario games just give me something like Goldeneye Remastered or NX can suck it!



Miyamotoo said:

Actually 93 metascore is singnafitly better than 84. And it not only about forums, 3D Mario game brings way more attention to platform than any 2D platformer, but you can keep deny that. It not about fourms only, reality is that 3D Mario World is great game and one of best games on Wii U.

 

'Super Mario 3D World' is the best reason to own a Wii U

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/22/5133098/super-mario-3d-world-review

You will have hard time finding similar article for NSMBU.

 

When you can prove that I am wrong you can say I am saying nonsense. Can you prove that I am wrong when I say "Sales of some game dont equal impact they have on system"!? No, sales of games does not equals impact they have on sales of that system, you didn't provide anything to disprove that. Again, you did not prove anything with sales numbers of games, espacial with heavy bundled games. Nintendo Land sold more than Splatoon, 3D Mario World, Mario Maker and Smash Bros 4, buy your pont Nintendo Land had much better impact on console than any of those games beacuse it sold more copies.

 

Fine I'll rephrase. Great/internet loved games can sell like crap while crap/internet hated games can sell amazingly. Game quality/internet hype do not directly correlate to game sales. For example Paper Mario Sticker Star, sold well despite being a terrible game hated across the internet, so there's proof of the aforementioned.

You're the one making the claim you want people to believe so duty of proof is on you, otherwise your claim means nothing.

"you did not prove anything with sales numbers of games" More bullshit, as always I gotta bring up stuff I already said when dealing with you.

"There's no way to know 100% how good of a system seller a game is, so sales data is the closest you're going to get knowing, infact it's the only real way to tell. "Sales of games doesnt equel impact they havin on system." Where's your proof of this? That's what I mean by "I Say So!" logic, you make a claim without anything to back it up, as if I'm just gonna take your word for it. Now when a game sells extremely well (especially while there aren't many other notable games in Wii U's case) that means it was definitely a factor in a number of system purchases, simply because it sold too much not to be. That's just common sense there. Since 2D and 3D Mario sold roughly the same, it's safe to say their impact is also roughly the same."

I explained why sales are the best determinant, and what my reasoning is (they sold the same) for my claim (they sold a similar number of systems). Perfectly logical, which must be why you wont directly refute it.

Don't talk to me about bundles especially ones involving different games until you acknowledge this: "NSMBU was not bundled since launch, was never the only bundle available, and SM3DW got bundled aswell, plus I don't think NSMB2 was ever bundled whereas SM3DL was shortly after it released."

 

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Einsam_Delphin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Actually 93 metascore is singnafitly better than 84. And it not only about forums, 3D Mario game brings way more attention to platform than any 2D platformer, but you can keep deny that. It not about fourms only, reality is that 3D Mario World is great game and one of best games on Wii U.

 

'Super Mario 3D World' is the best reason to own a Wii U

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/22/5133098/super-mario-3d-world-review

You will have hard time finding similar article for NSMBU.

 

When you can prove that I am wrong you can say I am saying nonsense. Can you prove that I am wrong when I say "Sales of some game dont equal impact they have on system"!? No, sales of games does not equals impact they have on sales of that system, you didn't provide anything to disprove that. Again, you did not prove anything with sales numbers of games, espacial with heavy bundled games. Nintendo Land sold more than Splatoon, 3D Mario World, Mario Maker and Smash Bros 4, buy your pont Nintendo Land had much better impact on console than any of those games beacuse it sold more copies.

 

Fine I'll rephrase. Great/internet loved games can sell like crap while crap/internet hated games can sell amazingly. Game quality/internet hype do not directly correlate to game sales. For example Paper Mario Sticker Star, sold well despite being a terrible game hated across the internet, so there's proof of the aforementioned.

You're the one making the claim you want people to believe so duty of proof is on you, otherwise your claim means nothing.

"you did not prove anything with sales numbers of games" More bullshit, as always I gotta bring up stuff I already said when dealing with you.

"There's no way to know 100% how good of a system seller a game is, so sales data is the closest you're going to get knowing, infact it's the only real way to tell. "Sales of games doesnt equel impact they havin on system." Where's your proof of this? That's what I mean by "I Say So!" logic, you make a claim without anything to back it up, as if I'm just gonna take your word for it. Now when a game sells extremely well (especially while there aren't many other notable games in Wii U's case) that means it was definitely a factor in a number of system purchases, simply because it sold too much not to be. That's just common sense there. Since 2D and 3D Mario sold roughly the same, it's safe to say their impact is also roughly the same."

I explained why sales are the best determinant, and what my reasoning is (they sold the same) for my claim (they sold a similar number of systems). Perfectly logical, which must be why you wont directly refute it.

Don't talk to me about bundles especially ones involving different games until you acknowledge this: "NSMBU was not bundled since launch, was never the only bundle available, and SM3DW got bundled aswell, plus I don't think NSMB2 was ever bundled whereas SM3DL was shortly after it released."

You saying to me where is proof, but you did not prove anything as well.



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zorg1000 said:
Miyamotoo said:

Question for you, what do you think will have better impact on NX, to release for instance Super Mario Galaxy 3 at launch or 1st year or to release something similar to NSMBU?

neither, it doesnt matter if the launch lineup is Zelda+2D Mario+casual minigame or Zelda+3D Mario+casual minigame, the result will be nearly the same.

Well I don't agree that results would be same.



Miyamotoo said:

You saying to me where is proof, but you did not prove anything as well.

 

I did as plainly visible in the very post you quoted, so you aren't fooling anyone. Not my fault you don't want to acknowledge it.

Unless you mean the sales numbers, which admittedly aren't in that post, but everyone should have seen them already.

SM3DL - 10 million, NSMB2 - 9 million

NSMBU - 5 million, SM3DW - 4 million

By the same token your more hype logic should lead to more software sales in general for 3D Mario over 2D, but nope for the same reason explained already.



Einsam_Delphin said:
Miyamotoo said:

You saying to me where is proof, but you did not prove anything as well.

 

I did as plainly visible in the very post you quoted, so you aren't fooling anyone. Not my fault you don't want to acknowledge it.

Unless you mean the sales numbers, which admittedly aren't in that post, but everyone should have seen them already.

SM3DL - 10 million, NSMB2 - 9 million

NSMBU - 5 million, SM3DW - 4 million

By the same token your more hype logic should lead to more software sales in general for 3D Mario over 2D, but nope for the same reason explained already.

Again, I didnt talk about sale numbers of specific game, I talking about impact and effect specifik game having on whole market and whole attentione she brings to a platform, launch of 3D Mario game brings much more echo and attention of gaming industry than any 2D platform game. And after Wii U thats what exactly NX needs for launch and 1st year, people and whole industry pay attention on very strong and great titles, thats why I saying 3D Mario is better choice for launch or 1st year game for brand new platform than just another 2D platformer.



Miyamotoo said:

Again, I didnt talk about sale numbers of specific game, I talking about impact and effect specifik game having on whole market and whole attentione she brings to a platform, launch of 3D Mario game brings much more echo and attention of gaming industry than any 2D platform game. And after Wii U thats what exactly NX needs for launch and 1st year, people and whole industry pay attention on very strong and great titles, thats why I saying 3D Mario is better choice for launch or 1st year game for brand new platform than just another 2D platformer.

 

So software hype only affects hardware sales, is that really what you're telling me?



Einsam_Delphin said:
Miyamotoo said:

Again, I didnt talk about sale numbers of specific game, I talking about impact and effect specifik game having on whole market and whole attentione she brings to a platform, launch of 3D Mario game brings much more echo and attention of gaming industry than any 2D platform game. And after Wii U thats what exactly NX needs for launch and 1st year, people and whole industry pay attention on very strong and great titles, thats why I saying 3D Mario is better choice for launch or 1st year game for brand new platform than just another 2D platformer.

 

So software hype only affects hardware sales, is that really what you're telling me?

I wrote what I meant, after Wii U people need to be hyped about NX, industry needs to be aware of totally new Nintendo platform with big and great games, NX with big and great games needs to capture whole attention of industry and not only buy hardcore Nintendo fans, people actually needs to want to buy NX on launch because of some of those big and great games or at least make plan to buy NX in near future beacuse that same software.