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Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:

What baseline are you talking about? NPD & Media Create had Wii U down YOY in January 2014 while Vgchartz has a statistical tie globally, so what baseline are you referring to?

You are wrong, the debate started with someone stating that 3D Mario was a bigger system seller than 2D Mario. The burden of proof is on the 3D Mario side which have yet to provide any data to support the theory.

WiiU baseline after January 2013 according to VGC was 20kish as March arrives, baseline after January 2014 was 40kish by the end of February according to VGC. Because you keep harping on about 3D Mario the's another example in my previous post on the 3DS where the platform spiked higher than on NSMB2's release and outsold the latter game, now move on.

lol the baseline in late February was higher in 2014 than 2013, you dont say????? Maybe, just maybe that is due to Tropical Freeze which released in late February 2014.

Yes, 3D Land spiked 3DS sales higher, there is this special time of the year called the holidays where people buy gifts for one another, 3D Land released during this time of the year while NSMB2 released in the middle of summer, the time of year where video game sales are the lowest.

here are the official sales from Nintendo

NSMBU-5.19 million, 3D World-4.82 million

NSMB2-10.25 million, 3D Land-10.73 million

2D total-15.44 million, 3D Total-15.55 million

The series are identical, and this is what i said earlier, the 2 series are interchangeable, Wii U could have launched with 3D World and had NSMBU release the following year and there would be basically no difference. Same with the 3DS releases.

Einsam_Delphin & I have never said that 2D Mario is bigger, we are just saying that 3D Mario is not this huge system seller comparitively that Miyamotoo was saying earlier in this thread.



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zorg1000 said:

lol the baseline in late February was higher in 2014 than 2013, you dont say????? Maybe, just maybe that is due to Tropical Freeze which released in late February 2014.

Yes, 3D Land spiked 3DS sales higher, there is this special time of the year called the holidays where people buy gifts for one another, 3D Land released during this time of the year while NSMB2 released in the middle of summer, the time of year where video game sales are the lowest.

here are the official sales from Nintendo

NSMBU-5.19 million, 3D World-4.82 million

NSMB2-10.25 million, 3D Land-10.73 million

2D total-15.44 million, 3D Total-15.55 million

The series are identical, and this is what i said earlier, the 2 series are interchangeable, Wii U could have launched with 3D World and had NSMBU release the following year and there would be basically no difference. Same with the 3DS releases.

Einsam_Delphin & I have never said that 2D Mario is bigger, we are just saying that 3D Mario is not this huge system seller comparitively that Miyamotoo was saying earlier in this thread.

That makes a lot more sense as an argument although the post I responded was suggesting sales numbers to highlight one as bigger than the other although I agree with Miyamotoo with the view that 2D Mario is more a seller to the userbase than the a seller of a system. One reason I say this is if you look at the NSMB games released on systems that were already flying in the middle of their life like the DS and Wii it would hit near 30m, when Nintendo actually tried them as system sellers they would sell well but not really change the fortune of the platforms they're on, that was done more by other games.



Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:

lol the baseline in late February was higher in 2014 than 2013, you dont say????? Maybe, just maybe that is due to Tropical Freeze which released in late February 2014.

Yes, 3D Land spiked 3DS sales higher, there is this special time of the year called the holidays where people buy gifts for one another, 3D Land released during this time of the year while NSMB2 released in the middle of summer, the time of year where video game sales are the lowest.

here are the official sales from Nintendo

NSMBU-5.19 million, 3D World-4.82 million

NSMB2-10.25 million, 3D Land-10.73 million

2D total-15.44 million, 3D Total-15.55 million

The series are identical, and this is what i said earlier, the 2 series are interchangeable, Wii U could have launched with 3D World and had NSMBU release the following year and there would be basically no difference. Same with the 3DS releases.

Einsam_Delphin & I have never said that 2D Mario is bigger, we are just saying that 3D Mario is not this huge system seller comparitively that Miyamotoo was saying earlier in this thread.

That makes a lot more sense as an argument although the post I responded was suggesting sales numbers to highlight one as bigger than the other although I agree with Miyamotoo with the view that 2D Mario is more a seller to the userbase than the a seller of a system. One reason I say this is if you look at the NSMB games released on systems that were already flying in the middle of their life like the DS and Wii it would hit near 30m, when Nintendo actually tried them as system sellers they would sell well but not really change the fortune of the platforms they're on, that was done more by other games.

Well no game has changed Wii U fortunes, like I pointed out earlier every fiscal year has been right around 3 million give or take a few 100k. 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Zelda remasters, Hyrule Warriors, etc. The only thing these games were able to do was keep Wii U at its 3m/year baseline. You cant blame 2D Mario for something no other game has been able to do either.



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zorg1000 said:

Well no game has changed Wii U fortunes, like I pointed out earlier every fiscal year has been right around 3 million give or take a few 100k. 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Zelda remasters, Hyrule Warriors, etc. The only thing these games were able to do was keep Wii U at its 3m/year baseline. You cant blame 2D Mario for something no other game has been able to do either.

I don't blame NSMBU per say as the are other factors I just see it as more of a userbase seller then a system seller which is why I question its performance had the not been early adopters. Imo one of the other games should have been present for launch and NSMBU should have come out mid gen instead of launching it, I also class 2D Donkey Kong as the same along with other 2D platfomers.

People may like them but I don't think people buy platforms for them in todays market.



Wyrdness said:
zorg1000 said:

Well no game has changed Wii U fortunes, like I pointed out earlier every fiscal year has been right around 3 million give or take a few 100k. 3D Mario, Donkey Kong, Mario Kart, Smash Bros, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Zelda remasters, Hyrule Warriors, etc. The only thing these games were able to do was keep Wii U at its 3m/year baseline. You cant blame 2D Mario for something no other game has been able to do either.

I don't blame NSMBU per say as the are other factors I just see it as more of a userbase seller then a system seller which is why I question its performance had the not been early adopters. Imo one of the other games should have been present for launch and NSMBU should have come out mid gen instead of launching it, I also class 2D Donkey Kong as the same along with other 2D platfomers.

People may like them but I don't think people buy platforms for them in todays market.

its fine to have that opinion, Einsam and I were just asking for data to back up the statement.



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Wyrdness said:

We'll pretend you didn't say it because it's a weak response that is not only null and void to the whole argument it makes no sense in any context. A games appeal doesn't equate to it being a system seller, it's been explained to you already previously already in NSMBU being a decarative title that sells to the userbase the's no need to even repeat myself. As for the period 3DL and MK7 I misread the dates and got mixed up my mistake, 3DS began selling at 400k upon 3DL's release, when MK7 release a few weeks after it spiked to 700k on the game's release and 1m a week with MH's release before coming to the baseline of 300k, the price cut had raised the baseline to 150k after the spike in sales it caused prior to this. In comparison the week NSMB2 released (28th July) 3DS the 3DS had a spike of 100k units above the then baseline for one week before returning to the baseline of 300k. Funny enough both 3DL and MK7 have outsold NSMB2 by a margin that is bigger than what NSMBU is over 3DW which under the logic you're trying to push backs those games as system sellers.

Yeah people buy games at launch early adopters would have bought the Wii U with NL alone or even nothing because that group were always planning to purchase the platform right at the start anticipating their first party favourites, a game being their only choice doesn't make the game a system seller.

 

Your argument is that 3D Mario sells more systems because it's more appealing. "3DW being a 3D Mario is more appealing" Obviously a game's appeal does directly correlate to how much of a system seller it is since why buy a console for a game you don't like. I've already explained why the decrative title thing is false so you can repeat yourself all you want, the sales numbers wont change. Yes obviously 3DL + MK7 + Pricecut + Bundle + Holiday is gonna sell more systems than NSMB2 by itself, but that's not the point, being that NSMB2 is undeniably a system seller when you claim the series sells to userbase only.

NSMBU was never the only choice.

Zorg has it right, I never said that 2D Mario was bigger or that any of these games aren't system sellers (except on the Wii U in anything more than the literal sense), only that 2D Mario and 3D Mario are roughly just as big as one another based on straight up sales data.



I honestly believe the next soul calibur will be a nx exclusive, mainly due to Namco scoring the acquisition to develop one of nintendo's biggest ips, therefore I suspect, there was a deal granted between nintendo and Namco to fund and publish the next soul game. Maybe, maybe not, but it'd be great for us who intend to buy the console



Einsam_Delphin said:

 

Your argument is that 3D Mario sells more systems because it's more appealing. "3DW being a 3D Mario is more appealing" Obviously a game's appeal does directly correlate to how much of a system seller it is since why buy a console for a game you don't like. I've already explained why the decrative title thing is false so you can repeat yourself all you want, the sales numbers wont change. Yes obviously 3DL + MK7 + Pricecut + Bundle + Holiday is gonna sell more systems than NSMB2 by itself, but that's not the point, being that NSMB2 is undeniably a system seller when you claim the series sells to userbase only.

NSMBU was never the only choice.

Zorg has it right, I never said that 2D Mario was bigger or that any of these games aren't system sellers (except on the Wii U in anything more than the literal sense), only that 2D Mario and 3D Mario are roughly just as big as one another based on straight up sales data.

The debates over move on kid, I said 3D Mario is more appealing as a title to commit to buying a new platform, also point to where I said I don't like NSMB? Don't pull false claims out your ass.



Wyrdness said:

The debates over move on kid, I said 3D Mario is more appealing as a title to commit to buying a new platform, also point to where I said I don't like NSMB? Don't pull false claims out your ass.

 

If it's over why are you still going? You're just using that as an excuse not to address my points.

So there are different variations of appeal? So even though people like 2D Mario just as much they wont buy a system for it but will for 3D Mario because... reasons? That sounds like pure nonsense, certainly can't be proven as true.

Point to where I said you said you don't like NSMB. Also you were complaining about my attitude earlier, how the tables have turned!



cjdakahank said:
I honestly believe the next soul calibur will be a nx exclusive, mainly due to Namco scoring the acquisition to develop one of nintendo's biggest ips, therefore I suspect, there was a deal granted between nintendo and Namco to fund and publish the next soul game. Maybe, maybe not, but it'd be great for us who intend to buy the console

That would be odd. I mean, sure, the Smash deal must have been really good for NB, but making one of the biggest fighting series they have exclusive to a system that has yet to prove itself is unlikely. Plus, the competitive fighting audience is mostly on PS4 due to it hogging games like SFV and other fighters. I could see a remake of Soul Calibur 2 for the NX, though.

If we are talking about BN, why not making another of those Pacman World platformers? How good were those?



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