kowenicki said:
I was thinking of more respected news agencies or journalists really.... not two bit consipracy theorists. |
I lost you at respected. There are no respected major news outlets in the west. They are all part of the same corrupt system.
kowenicki said:
Excellent summary. How old is the writer of this OP by the way? Do you even remember much of the real Soviet Union? |
Not much, I am 37 years old, and I know it wasn't perfect. But I know enough people from West to know that Western countries life isn't too bright all the times.
Mystro-Sama said:
How is it there really? I would rather hear it from someone who actually lives there as opposed to people in the West saying Putin is fucking everything up? |
Its a hard question, easier to answer if you'd ask something more exact. Btw, I had a thread with questions about Russia. It was quite popular but then go down... Maybe I need to take it up!
kowenicki said:
There are degrees of respect. God I hate this social justice warrior crap that is so prevelant in the west right now... it is FARRRR better here in the west than in Eastern Europe and most of the world actually. There really is no comparison. |
I traveled through eastern Europe recently and it's actually a lovely place and I'd really enjoy living there.
The west is over rated. and the east isn't as third world as your western publications brain wash you into believing.
| Mystro-Sama said: |
Here's the thread, if you're interested!
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=179695&page=1#
SuperNova said:
Or maybe because the russian people have a collective trauma from living under the of control tyrannic despotes for almost a century, all the while they were being formed to conform to a dictatorship which opressed every single little critical or otherwise deviant voice and systematically spied on it's own people. And when that system finally broke down they never had the chance to truly learn what freedom actually means, and how to deal with it and so choose to go the familiar way of being dominated by a 'strong man' at the top at any cost. This is not some revolutionary new concept. It happens all the time. Dictatoships form insecure, paranoid people who are desperate to hold on to strucktures. Freedom means resposibility, it's something that has to be taought and learned continuously to actually work and that includes the ability to think critically. I know he gets idolized by russians ans ethnic russians alike, but Putin is not some good guy. He has been systematically stripping away freedom of press and russian peoples rights and got himself into a prime position to assume the position of next dictator. Very similar to what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey too. |
Try switching that to forever. It's not like the Tzars weren't tyrannic despotes. Western countries have centuries long traditions of democracy and civil rights. Our Parliaments were established around half a millenium ago - this forged our values and respect for democracy to the point in which we cannot imagine life without democracy, we'd suffocate. We can even search for the origin of our values in the Ancient Rome, it had a great influence after all. No such process ever happened in Russia. They are used to and need a strong man in charge. They had the Tzar, after that Lenin, after that Stalin, after that there was a time of a crisis and now they have Putin. They know no other way and associate democracy with Boris Yeltsin, a weak man and a period of economical crisis. It's very sad, but that's just how it is. Russians mentally are typical Asians, they don't understand and value democracy. On top of that comes their greatest national vice - defeatism, the feeling that no matter what, they can't change a thing, cause "that's how things were, are and will be". You have no idea how powerful it is in Russia. Add to that a powerful apparatus of oppression in a mafia-like country and you get what you get. They are used to their leader making them suffer and accept it as long as "Russia is feared across the world". That's how they roll.
@OP - This is all allegations. A theory. Nothing proven. For me this falls to the old "Russian bullshit propaganda" box, next to the Russian soldier in Syria calling an airstrike on himself and the "green people" in Crimea and Donbas not being Russian soldiers. Nowadays Russian propaganda is rampant in the West, Russia is spending a ton of money on it - they want to change their image, so that the West lifts the sanctions, which (admittedly - to my surprice) are really hurting them. The more they mess in the heads of the citizens, the easier it will be for Russia to convince the Western governments and for these governments to explain it to their citizens. Old school Russian politics. I hope people are aware of this and don't fall for it.
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SuperNova said:
Or maybe because the russian people have a collective trauma from living under the of control tyrannic despotes for almost a century, all the while they were being formed to conform to a dictatorship which opressed every single little critical or otherwise deviant voice and systematically spied on it's own people. And when that system finally broke down they never had the chance to truly learn what freedom actually means, and how to deal with it and so choose to go the familiar way of being dominated by a 'strong man' at the top at any cost. This is not some revolutionary new concept. It happens all the time. Dictatoships form insecure, paranoid people who are desperate to hold on to strucktures. Freedom means resposibility, it's something that has to be taought and learned continuously to actually work and that includes the ability to think critically. I know he gets idolized by russians ans ethnic russians alike, but Putin is not some good guy. He has been systematically stripping away freedom of press and russian peoples rights and got himself into a prime position to assume the position of next dictator. Very similar to what Erdogan has been doing in Turkey too. |
"which opressed every single little critical or otherwise deviant voice and systematically spied on it's own people."
sounds a lot like where the west is heading right now lol
ironically i'm sure i've seen the phrase "conspiracy theorists" being used as a label in this thread already
| Sharu said: Bbc will show its new documentary. With the information Russia told the world almost 2 years ago. That boeing MH17 was shot by ukrainian jet. So what now? Will any reporter bitch who've made countless articles on 'Putin killed our son' at least say sorry? |
More bogus conspiracy theories. It's a forgone conclusion that MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile, specifically the SA-11 system.
How do we know this? From data from the SBIRS constellation of satellites. If SBIRS (and its DSP predecessors) are able to track an ICBM from launch all the way to reentry, then they can certainly track the launch of a SAM. They also most certainly saw the explosion of the airplane itself.
Nighthawk117 said:
More bogus conspiracy theories. It's a forgone conclusion that MH17 was shot down by a surface-to-air missile, specifically the SA-11 system. How do we know this? From data from the SBIRS constellation of satellites. If SBIRS (and its DSP predecessors) are able to track an ICBM from launch all the way to reentry, then they can certainly track the launch of a SAM. They also most certainly saw the explosion of the airplane itself. |
Well, all questions to BBC! Film will be shown 3rd of May.
Btw, as far as I know, USA didn't provide their satellite data regarding this case to the Holland authorities. Or maybe I'm wrong?
The same day this MH17 downing thing happens, Israel launched an offensive in Palestine. So it may be inside-job.
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