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Funny how that article invalidates itself at the end

But the time for disruptive product cycles is over. There's too much risk involved, with game budgets more expensive than ever, and other markets increasingly eating away at each other. There was a lot of debate before this generation launched on whether or not there was even a market for game consoles anymore as the PS3 and 360 quickly plummeted in sales. The PS4 answered that question with a resounding yes. I wonder what answers the PS4K will bring.

PS4K will bring longer dev time, higher budgets, less innovation.

And in the end you're actually getting less bang for your buck than before.
Normal cycle, release susidized console, ahead of the curve, sold at slight loss, loss is made back over the years.
Incremental consoles have a much shorter lifespan, thus are already behind the curve at release, must make profit a lot sooner.

PS4K is still stuck with the 8 core Jaguar processor, running only 30% faster. It already was a bottleneck. No memory increase, games aren't even allowed to have better gameplay, only improved graphics. What happens in 2019? Another model to code for? Is the base model dropped then? Will the base or the 4K still hold back gameplay improvements?



Soundwave said:
Honestly I hope Nintendo does this.

There should be nothing after NX ... NX is NX, and it simply upgrades as time goes on. There's no "successor" to the NX.
But Nintendo is, how to say it? Traditional? They will only to do it (I mean the thing that you're thinking)  if they are forced to do it... Look when they expanded to mobile....

RolStoppable said:
So in summary, this is beneficial because this will allow for more technological progress and at the same time consumers will be able to play new games on their PS4 (2013 version) for many more years than they could otherwise.

that... and I think you should read the article. :)

danielrdp said:

No, just no. Let's be honest. How many people who own a PS4 will buy the PS4 Neo? If Sony keeps the original and cheaper PS4 along side the PS4 Neo, there is no way parents and casual gamers will buy the most expensive version that plays the EXACT same games as the cheaper one. It's nuts.  I can't believe that some people go out of their way to defend such dumb move. 

Apps run just the same on an iPad I bought 4 years ago and one that I can buy today. I can still find a four year old iPad for sale for significantly less than what a 2016 model costs. Yet that doesn't seem to stop people from buying it. 

And you don't seem to get it. Sony doesn't care if you buy A PlayStation 4 or a PlayStation neo or a PlayStation neo2. They just want you to buy a PlayStation. it doesn't matter if you are going for the premium experice or the core one. At the end of the day you are buying the ecat same game. 

Another thing is this, neo comes out at $400 and PS4 drops to $299. PS4 outsells neo 5:1. next year neo drops in price to $299 and there is no more a PS4. two years after that neo2 is released for $399 and again neo outsells it 5:1.....

either way. all the while Sony is just selling Playstations 

Mar1217 said:
Oh great ! Another topic with that '' console generations as we know it are over ''.

One of the best example why I think it won't work is the Saga Genesis. Remember that x32 ? Yep. it floped, as it would if upgradable componements where made for the next generation. 

People awareness is not high enough to try something like this.

If you think this is the same as the  Sega Genesis and 32x....... well, well........ I domt know what to say to you. 

Chew on this tho, the 32x had games that while you needed a Genesis to play, wouldn't work unless you had the 32x. I'm sure that had something to do with it flopping. 

Naum said:

The upside with consoles is that I won't or need to buy a new one every 3-5 years so that I can play same game now or 5 years from now.... now? yeah fu**k you Sony. this is the last time...

 

 

I you still defend this kind of sh*t... you deservre the pain.

Here's the shocker though.....

YOU DONT HAVE TO BUY A NEW CONSOLE EVERY 3-5 YEARS. 

Yup. no one is forcing you to do that if you are content what whatever ur getting on your current console. When I play FF15 on the Neo, and you play it on the PS4, you and I will have the exact same story to tell about the game. Not a difference. unless we were playing it on the same room with two TVs side by side eachother with a rez and frame counter attached tho. 

You know another shocker, if you choose to by the PS4K2 6-7yrs after you bought your PS4, your console isn't just better, but you can toss in FF15 on that box and it will be better than you remember it being. and that way you still upgrade every 6-7yrs. While I may choose to upgrade every 3yrs. Choices man......



tak13 said:
Soundwave said:
Honestly I hope Nintendo does this.

There should be nothing after NX ... NX is NX, and it simply upgrades as time goes on. There's no "successor" to the NX.
But Nintendo is, how to say it? Traditional? They will only to do it (I mean the thing that you're thinking)  if they are forced to do it... Look when they expanded to mobile....

Not even in your dreams.



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SvennoJ said:


PS4K will bring longer dev time, higher budgets, less innovation.

I domt know how you are arriving at this. Makes zero sense to me....... how can Neo do all that when the core system is still the PS4?

And in the end you're actually getting less bang for your buck than before.
Normal cycle, release susidized console, ahead of the curve, sold at slight loss, loss is made back over the years.
Incremental consoles have a much shorter lifespan, thus are already behind the curve at release, must make profit a lot sooner.

no. and you really need to stop doing this. You make it sound like this means that when the Neo is released the PS4 and the 40M+ people that won it seizes to exist. There is nothing affecting the lifespan. If anything the lifespan becomes longer. 

PS4K is still stuck with the 8 core Jaguar processor, running only 30% faster. It already was a bottleneck. No memory increase, games aren't even allowed to have better gameplay, only improved graphics. What happens in 2019? Another model to code for? Is the base model dropped then? Will the base or the 4K still hold back gameplay improvements?

You really think that the problem with games today is that the CPU is the bottleneck? So how does that explain the PS4 running evey game at a higher rez and framerate thaan the XB1 yet it has the better CPU. And you think the available memory is not sufficient???? lol. ok. 

Let me tell you something about a game pipeline. 

CPU receives input > CPU simulates scene > GPU draws scene and sends it to ur TV > user presses button > CpU recieves input

At its heart, every single game engine follows the above principle. Now what do you think happens if you have a GPU that can do all the work in half the time? Think about that for a bit. 

Answers in bold. 



There will be. iPhone 4 and 4S did not preclude iPhone 5.
it didn't kill phone either.



CosmicSex said:
There will be. iPhone 4 and 4S did not preclude iPhone 5.
it didn't kill phone either.

yes. there will be a PS5

But just like with the iPhone 4 and 4s to iPhone 5 you mentioned; the PS4 will still be forward compatible with games made for the PS5. Which in truth means the games aren't being made for the PS5 but games made for PlayStation. 

Just saying the PS5 will not mean an end to the PS4. That the PS4 will be able to run those games too. Even if it's in a way you may hate. But if that's all you can afford then hey....have at it. 



spemanig said:
tak13 said:
But Nintendo is, how to say it? Traditional? They will only to do it (I mean the thing that you're thinking)  if they are forced to do it... Look when they expanded to mobile....

Not even in your dreams.

That was somewhat agressive? :P Wait a second... I might have misunderstood (this happens when  you don't read the whole op) I was thinking that we were talking  about consoles becoming, how to say it, cloud services/digital platforms (Mainly, if I'm not mistaken,  due to trowing that this is your prediction?) I guess we weren't! So it's about small gen cycles/ releasing of upgraded/able hardware often?



RolStoppable said:

Let's compare:

Old console cycle - Buy a new console every 6 years.
New console cycle - Buy a new console every 3 years or skip an iteration and buy every 6 years.

Old - Get roughly 6 years of developers focusing on the console you bought.
New - Get roughly 3 years of focus and another 3 years of decline.

That's for consumers, but developers won't be happy that they basically have to work with a new hardware configuration for every game they make (assuming a three year development cycle which isn't farfetched in today's AAA industry).

So who is going to benefit from this? Sony, as long as they sell the hardware at a profit. Gamers who don't mind to buy new hardware every 3 years because they want the best console graphics.

I am all for it that Sony does hardware refreshes every 3 years.

Here is how I see it. 

When sony made the PS4. they expected it to be supported primarily for 6yrs. 

The Neo is more future proofing than anything else (for now). But it's also a ay if killing two birds with one stone. They would have done a hardware revision anyway (the slim) but why not do that and future proof in the process. 

the last 3yrs of the PS4 primary console life, the Neo just runs all games marginally better than the stock PS4. And those people that buy it are going to be OK with this. During this period the PS4 gets phased out and the Neo bcomes the primary console. So about 18 months before neo2 is released, you won't even see the PS4 available for sale anymore. 

When neo2 is launched, the cycle changes. Now neo is the primary console. Neo 2 gets games running slightly better since it's hardware is under utilized. and the PS4 is now only aable to run games released at that time at 900p/720p with dialed back effects...etc. But remember, at this point the PS4 is a 6+ year old console. 

By the time the neo3 is released, neo2 becomes the primary and so on. But at this point, due to whatever APIs Sony implents, the PS4 will still be able.o run Neo3 games.