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After much resistance, I am on board with the Neo

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Do you like the idea of the Neo

Yes 120 32.00%
 
No 124 33.07%
 
As long as they keep to t... 111 29.60%
 
I told you console peasants they were weak! 7 1.87%
 
No Opinion 13 3.47%
 
Total:375

potato_hamster said:
                                         

I'm a console video game developer. I've made PS4 games. I have used the PS4's development tools. Please tell why you think it will work this way when I have actually developed multi-platform PS4 and Xbox One games and likely have a far better idea of how this will actually work in practice. I assure you that there will be more work doing what most people call "porting" than simply changing the settings of the compiler and calling it a day. Modifications will have to be made to ensure both games run optimally on both versions of the console. Both versions will have to be tested equally and seperately, effectively doubling QA work. It's not a matter of just changing some configurations - if it was porting games from one platform to any other platform with similar specs would be a joke. I do not care how it works on PC, console video game development is fundamentally different, and it isn't changing overnight just because Sony introduced a higher spec console.

   

 

 



Thank you! People seem to think it's magic lmao! Even direct ports require extra work to compile.



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Machiavellian said:

Actually I cannot see developers spending more time optimizing for the 4K whoose install base probably will never get close to the original PS4.  Developers need to make sure the device with the most buyers work the best before giving time to a new system.  If anything, it will be people who purchase the new 4K that will be the ones getting limited support for at least 2 years and thus many only see marginal improvements in games.

It's almost like that just makes sense or something...

Only req is that PS4.5 be at 1080p, which some existing games already are at, and ones that aren't are almost there, so easy upgrade.
Anything beyond that is up to developer desiring to take advantage of PS4.5 HW.
Open question is will Sony be stopping PS4 production, or continuing it in parallel with PS4.5?
Either way, PS4.0 has large install base that will buy many more games than PS4.5 base will buy for years to come.
Why wouldn't devs want to maximize their game appeal to the larger game base?

Anyhow, PS4 install base is currently 2x XBone, current sales are currently 3x XBone, so what if it takes 2x optimization budget? (worst hysterical case)
It would still be providing better return on investment than developing an XBone port.



I do not, and will never, support Neo if true.



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spemanig said:
I'm 50-50 on thinking there will be a NEO2 before Sony scraps the PS4 completely.

I am 100% in on the idea that Sony is gonna rebrand the Playstation 4 to just PlayStation. and evey 3rd year we will see an updated PlayStation and whatever model it replaces drops in price. 

By 2022 we would  probably be on our 4th iteration. Or the 4th generation of the PS4 so to speak. But the really cool thing is, every game made then will still work on PS4s in circulation today. 



Whatever happens. I will still be buying consoles every 5-6 years. I don't change my phone when a new one comes out. Only when a feature that I care, is actually updated. Which is on board space, or longer battery. So since those never do. I still have my "outdated" phone. I wonder how long till the console runs out of stuff to upgrade. Since they now, in effect, sped up diminishing returns.



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I don't see how anyone could be against the NEO. It literally doesn't effect anyone who already owns a PS4. Literally. Literally. Literally. It doesn't.

I wonder if people would have an easier time accepting it if they said "As usual here's a PS4 slim but it runs games a bit better than the fat PS4."



We don't even know what it is yet...



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Manlytears said:
on side note.... well... i have a new cellphone every 2-3 years,so... why not upgrade a console every 3-4 years?


I don't think the performance of...whatever you're doing with your phone really matters compared to the performance of console games.

 

Plerpy_ said:
I don't see how anyone could be against the NEO. It literally doesn't effect anyone who already owns a PS4. Literally. Literally. Literally. It doesn't.

I wonder if people would have an easier time accepting it if they said "As usual here's a PS4 slim but it runs games a bit better than the fat PS4."


Literally? Really? Who exactly wants inferior versions of games?




ArchangelMadzz said:

When the rumours first started trickling through I was skeptical but ultimately was fine with the idea of an ordinary PS4 that was a little beefed to play 4K movie and upscale games to 4K with everything being the same, if it was anything more I wouldn't be happy.

But ultimately as we are now aware with almost undeniable leaks that it's quite a bit more than that and packs a far heavier punch than the current PS4. 

Buttttt.... I get it, I see why it exists, people have been complaining about how underpowered these current gen consoles are, I haven't subscribed to that thinking as I have been very happy with my PS4's performance both and in game and the extreme upgrade in OS from the PS3 that makes the generation leap worth it as it is. But a boost in specs offering higher framerate and visuals is actually not a terrible idea.

I've come around to the idea of a Neo so much I think from this point every gen should probably have a .5 AS LONG as it is done like PS4 to Neo where there will be no exclusives and nothing changes for current owners, as technology is progressing so quickly, moore's law is still kind of in effect so consoles have to keep up and 6 years is too long. 

I'll just sell my current PS4 when the Neo comes out so it end up not costing me that much.

People complained that they were underpowered at the start of the gen. With the upgrade being just an extra 30%, all we have is a slightly less underpowered console. Consoles can't keep up with the PC Jonses because high end gaming PCs are far more expensive than consoles so the best you can get is mid to low end gaming PC power into a console. The only real power issue is between consoles of the same generation. And in that PS4 is the powerhouse, at least ujntil NX hits the streets.

The reason behind PS4.5 is not about PS4 being underpowered. It's about trying to get a boost in sales of 4K TVs.



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binary solo said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

When the rumours first started trickling through I was skeptical but ultimately was fine with the idea of an ordinary PS4 that was a little beefed to play 4K movie and upscale games to 4K with everything being the same, if it was anything more I wouldn't be happy.

But ultimately as we are now aware with almost undeniable leaks that it's quite a bit more than that and packs a far heavier punch than the current PS4. 

Buttttt.... I get it, I see why it exists, people have been complaining about how underpowered these current gen consoles are, I haven't subscribed to that thinking as I have been very happy with my PS4's performance both and in game and the extreme upgrade in OS from the PS3 that makes the generation leap worth it as it is. But a boost in specs offering higher framerate and visuals is actually not a terrible idea.

I've come around to the idea of a Neo so much I think from this point every gen should probably have a .5 AS LONG as it is done like PS4 to Neo where there will be no exclusives and nothing changes for current owners, as technology is progressing so quickly, moore's law is still kind of in effect so consoles have to keep up and 6 years is too long. 

I'll just sell my current PS4 when the Neo comes out so it end up not costing me that much.

People complained that they were underpowered at the start of the gen. With the upgrade being just an extra 30%, all we have is a slightly less underpowered console. Consoles can't keep up with the PC Jonses because high end gaming PCs are far more expensive than consoles so the best you can get is mid to low end gaming PC power into a console. The only real power issue is between consoles of the same generation. And in that PS4 is the powerhouse, at least ujntil NX hits the streets.

The reason behind PS4.5 is not about PS4 being underpowered. It's about trying to get a boost in sales of 4K TVs.

No, only a vocal minority of PC gamers complained about the consoles being underpowered. Everyone else just bought the, and enjoyed them.