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Do you like the idea of the Neo

Yes 120 32.00%
 
No 124 33.07%
 
As long as they keep to t... 111 29.60%
 
I told you console peasants they were weak! 7 1.87%
 
No Opinion 13 3.47%
 
Total:375

We don't even know what it is yet...



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ArchangelMadzz said:

When the rumours first started trickling through I was skeptical but ultimately was fine with the idea of an ordinary PS4 that was a little beefed to play 4K movie and upscale games to 4K with everything being the same, if it was anything more I wouldn't be happy.

But ultimately as we are now aware with almost undeniable leaks that it's quite a bit more than that and packs a far heavier punch than the current PS4. 

Buttttt.... I get it, I see why it exists, people have been complaining about how underpowered these current gen consoles are, I haven't subscribed to that thinking as I have been very happy with my PS4's performance both and in game and the extreme upgrade in OS from the PS3 that makes the generation leap worth it as it is. But a boost in specs offering higher framerate and visuals is actually not a terrible idea.

I've come around to the idea of a Neo so much I think from this point every gen should probably have a .5 AS LONG as it is done like PS4 to Neo where there will be no exclusives and nothing changes for current owners, as technology is progressing so quickly, moore's law is still kind of in effect so consoles have to keep up and 6 years is too long. 

I'll just sell my current PS4 when the Neo comes out so it end up not costing me that much.

People complained that they were underpowered at the start of the gen. With the upgrade being just an extra 30%, all we have is a slightly less underpowered console. Consoles can't keep up with the PC Jonses because high end gaming PCs are far more expensive than consoles so the best you can get is mid to low end gaming PC power into a console. The only real power issue is between consoles of the same generation. And in that PS4 is the powerhouse, at least ujntil NX hits the streets.

The reason behind PS4.5 is not about PS4 being underpowered. It's about trying to get a boost in sales of 4K TVs.



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binary solo said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

When the rumours first started trickling through I was skeptical but ultimately was fine with the idea of an ordinary PS4 that was a little beefed to play 4K movie and upscale games to 4K with everything being the same, if it was anything more I wouldn't be happy.

But ultimately as we are now aware with almost undeniable leaks that it's quite a bit more than that and packs a far heavier punch than the current PS4. 

Buttttt.... I get it, I see why it exists, people have been complaining about how underpowered these current gen consoles are, I haven't subscribed to that thinking as I have been very happy with my PS4's performance both and in game and the extreme upgrade in OS from the PS3 that makes the generation leap worth it as it is. But a boost in specs offering higher framerate and visuals is actually not a terrible idea.

I've come around to the idea of a Neo so much I think from this point every gen should probably have a .5 AS LONG as it is done like PS4 to Neo where there will be no exclusives and nothing changes for current owners, as technology is progressing so quickly, moore's law is still kind of in effect so consoles have to keep up and 6 years is too long. 

I'll just sell my current PS4 when the Neo comes out so it end up not costing me that much.

People complained that they were underpowered at the start of the gen. With the upgrade being just an extra 30%, all we have is a slightly less underpowered console. Consoles can't keep up with the PC Jonses because high end gaming PCs are far more expensive than consoles so the best you can get is mid to low end gaming PC power into a console. The only real power issue is between consoles of the same generation. And in that PS4 is the powerhouse, at least ujntil NX hits the streets.

The reason behind PS4.5 is not about PS4 being underpowered. It's about trying to get a boost in sales of 4K TVs.

No, only a vocal minority of PC gamers complained about the consoles being underpowered. Everyone else just bought the, and enjoyed them.



kowenicki said:
theprof00 said:

It will launch along with psvr. It is the reason for ps4k's existence, after all./

Is this how they get around the PS4k games must be PS4 too?

Release games badged as PSVR games with some stating PS4k required.

This way they arent releasing a PS4k game that wont run on PS4, they are releasing a PSVR game that wont run on PS4?  I think they realised that the PS4 simply couldnt deal with high end PSVR games and had to bring forward an upgarde.    That turn of events might not play too well with all those who pre-ordered PSVR's though.

Likely imo.

A fool being easily parted with his/her money by being an early adopter of PSVR, will happily buy PS4K in order to maximise his/her VR experience. Those not foolish enough to be early adopters of PSVR won't care if Sony releases PSVR games that are "PS4K required" because before those games are PS4K required they are PSVR required and we don't have the PSVR. So it's rather a wash as far as VR goes.

As long as Sony doesn't start putting out games that use the traditional DS4 for controls as PS4K only then I don't see any backlash coming from those of us who are happy to stick with our outdated model. I think the biggest risk is lack of meaningful content that makes the 4K a better gaming experience than PS4, and thus backlash from PS4K early adopters because they are not getting the bang for the buck they expected. We're almost getting a PS3 de ja vu, where people had to justify paying the early gen high price for PS3 because of the non-gaming benefits (It's how I justified it to my wife after all..."look honey, we have a Blu-ray movie player...and it plays games."). Fortunately this time 'round Sony isn't only offering an overpriced product with little by way of notable gaming benefit. They are also continuing to offer a well priced product that will satisfy core console gaming needs.

The downside risks aren't big as long as Sony doesn't do stupid things. But I don't see much upside benefit either. So the whole exercise is likely to end up being pretty neutral in terms of Sony's bottom line and PS4's market position. 



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binary solo said:

People complained that they were underpowered at the start of the gen. With the upgrade being just an extra 30%, all we have is a slightly less underpowered console. Consoles can't keep up with the PC Jonses because high end gaming PCs are far more expensive than consoles so the best you can get is mid to low end gaming PC power into a console. The only real power issue is between consoles of the same generation. And in that PS4 is the powerhouse, at least ujntil NX hits the streets.

The reason behind PS4.5 is not about PS4 being underpowered. It's about trying to get a boost in sales of 4K TVs.

Follow the bread crumbs.

Project Morphius (PSVR) and Project NEO (PS4K). They were made for each other.

Developers have an October deadline to support PS4K. PSVR launches in October.

Sony knows the standard PS4 is maxed out running PSVR games at PS2 to PS3 graphics levels while maintaining the 90 to 120 fps. A more powerful console is needed to support current gen games in VR. The NEO is that console.



   

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Machiavellian said:
Cloudman said:
Personally, I wouldn't be happy about it, especially if games focused more on optimizing games on the 4K and if I had bought s PS4 recently. It would make me feel like buying the original console was a mistake and should have waited, but then again, who would have known? This is a weird move I'm not down with. But in the end, I'd just settle with the older model of a system. I'd hope this doesn't become a standard for home consoles.

Actually I cannot see developers spending more time optimizing for the 4K whoose install base probably will never get close to the original PS4.  Developers need to make sure the device with the most buyers work the best before giving time to a new system.  If anything, it will be people who purchase the new 4K that will be the ones getting limited support for at least 2 years and thus many only see marginal improvements in games.

That would be odd...  If that ended up being the case with a PS4K, what would be the point of making it then?



 

              

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Plerpy_ said:
I don't see how anyone could be against the NEO. It literally doesn't effect anyone who already owns a PS4. Literally. Literally. Literally. It doesn't.

I wonder if people would have an easier time accepting it if they said "As usual here's a PS4 slim but it runs games a bit better than the fat PS4."

ppl just love to fear the worst case, which here would be that the PS4 versions don't get much care and run poorly - I think devs/pubs would need to be extraordinarily stupid to neglect the user base of the original PS4 and games with gameplay affecting performance issues will be rare

Soriku said:

Literally? Really? Who exactly wants inferior versions of games?

looks like every console gamer has been fine with that for the last 20 years

btw, the PS4 games themselves (which you usually spend much more money on than on hw) aren't inferior versions (unlike e.g. PS3 versions of x-gen games), they are able to run in Neo mode (when supported) once their owner decides to pick up the new console version

Cloudman said:

That would be odd...  If that ended up being the case with a PS4K, what would be the point of making it then?

higher margins now and higher potential for cost reduction of key components (the APU) offering higher margins in the future when sales price inevitably needs to be reduced



Lafiel said:

ppl just love to fear the worst case, which here would be that the PS4 versions don't get much care and run poorly - I think devs/pubs would need to be extraordinarily stupid to neglect the user base of the original PS4 and games with gameplay affecting performance issues will be rare

Yup... If anything, base PS4 will get more optimizations than NEO for some time.  Why?  40m install base.  
NEO potential sales will just be a fraction of that for years to come, no way around that.  
And if they give NEO only half the optimization effort, they can get a noticeably better experience, so why try harder? (at this point)

Lafiel said:

btw, the PS4 games themselves (which you usually spend much more money on than on hw) aren't inferior versions (unlike e.g. PS3 versions of x-gen games), they are able to run in Neo mode (when supported) once their owner decides to pick up the new console version

Good point.

I understand why Sony is going for this move, and really it is independent of any one material factor (e.g. PS4's power, 4K, etc), rather it's systemic.
The generation system is inconvenient for Sony because each time they start from scratch, they can't really achieve a persistent "platform".
The point is having continuous compatability that doesn't break the platform, and doesn't disrupt games sales depending where in gen they are at.
When they release a new model, they tell devs "If you want to continue to sell to our fat prev-gen install base, you also must support NEO per our min reqs.
I.e. even when next-gen install base might not otherwise attract dev attention, the COMBINED install base of platform certainly makes it worthwhile.
Probably the strongest case will be the Japanese devs who didn't push PS4 games out quickly upon release.  Well now they will with NEO.
With NEO they seem to be retaining exact CPU core, just overclocking it with process shrink, but I would guess after NEO they will adapt newer innovations from AMD. 



Your thread title is funny considering the news is like, a week old?

If only Microsoft news backlashes only lasted that long lol



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On topic, this is Sony capitalizing on their lead, your damn right people will trade in their PS4 to get a Neo, and stores sell those used ones back at a discount. The culture these days is resolution and fps, so this will print money by default.



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