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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Star Fox Zero Review Thread: MC: 69 / GR: 68.84%

Veknoid_Outcast said:
sales2099 said:

Odd, since the 64 game was "short" but better through replayability of its braches. I guess what held up in the 90's doesn't do much in 2016 haha

Unfortunately, that seems to be the case.

http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox/halo-combat-evolved
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/halo-combat-evolved-anniversary

http://www.metacritic.com/game/nintendo-64/perfect-dark
http://www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/perfect-dark

It's frustrating for me, since I think a great game is a great game is a great game, and technological advances don't do much, if anything, to diminish the classics.

As for SF0, the major complaints are motion controls, lackluster graphics, and a general paucity of content. As for the first critcism, it really depends on the user. I love the motion controls; others hate them. As for graphics, they do look rather ancient. As for content, I think the criticism is unfounded. If you found plenty of content in Star Fox Zero, you'll find the same for SF0.

I freakin loved Halo when it came out. Was easily a 9.5 game back in the days, but recently replayed it in one big session with a co-op friend and honestly the game has quite a few flaws. Thing is, those weren't even considered flaws back in the days or rather minor annoyances. Gameplay-wise it's still as good as it gets, but the level design could be much much better by today's standards. 8/10 would now be my score for this game.

As for Perfect Dark, I never played the N-64 version, but wow I thought the XBLA version sucked. No idea how anyone would consider that a good game back in the days. I guess it used to be impressive but playing it in 2010 for the first time didn't do it for me. My memories aren't fresh enough to give it an exact score, but I guess it would be around 5/10.

Wolfenstein 3D is another of those that was a great game when it came out but is just objectively bad by today's standards. Terrible graphics (well that's a given), pretty much non-existent story, terrible level design, extremely repetitive gameplay etc.
I still regard it for what it is, a classic, but it's still likely that even the most mediocre FPS of 2016 is a much better game.



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Reviewers didn't liked it much. This game could have fared well if gamepad utilization was skipped. But this looks like a nostalgic tour for N64 veterans.



Barozi said:

I freakin loved Halo when it came out. Was easily a 9.5 game back in the days, but recently replayed it in one big session with a co-op friend and honestly the game has quite a few flaws. Thing is, those weren't even considered flaws back in the days or rather minor annoyances. Gameplay-wise it's still as good as it gets, but the level design could be much much better by today's standards. 8/10 would now be my score for this game.

As for Perfect Dark, I never played the N-64 version, but wow I thought the XBLA version sucked. No idea how anyone would consider that a good game back in the days. I guess it used to be impressive but playing it in 2010 for the first time didn't do it for me. My memories aren't fresh enough to give it an exact score, but I guess it would be around 5/10.

Wolfenstein 3D is another of those that was a great game when it came out but is just objectively bad by today's standards. Terrible graphics (well that's a given), pretty much non-existent story, terrible level design, extremely repetitive gameplay etc.
I still regard it for what it is, a classic, but it's still likely that even the most mediocre FPS of 2016 is a much better game.

I respect your opinion, of course, but I'm on the other side of this debate. I still consider Halo: CE to be the best FPS ever made. Do the graphics look bad compared to modern shooters? Of course. Have recent shooters introduced new mechanics that can't be found in Halo? Definitely. But the music, level design, story, and improvisational gunplay are all amazing. They were amazing in 2001 and they're amazing in 2016.

Same goes for Perfect Dark, or Tomb Raider, or Final Fantasy VII, or any other great game from the 5th gen. If a 5th gen game is bad today it means it was bad back then. It didn't become bad with the passage of time.



Volterra_90 said:
midrange said:

Why do people try to defend this game so much? As a wii u owner, I would definitely want the second best title of the year to be a big hit, not a struggle to remain relevant in light of dark souls 3 or ratchet and clank!

Do people still think the wii u can live for another year?

Because I think I have my rights to defend the game if I like it. And that's the case. I totally understand why people dislike the game, they're giving valid arguments in some threads in this site. Is that hard to understand that some people might like the game? 

People can like the game. There's no big deal with that. But look at the other comments of this thread. There are a lot of people bashing reviewers with bogus reasons like "they gave it a mediocre score because it's not open world." The game is heavily flawed (I blame mismanagement by Nintendo) but rather than address the flaws of the game, they unnecessarily defend the game with b.s. reasons or cop outs.

 

This is supposed to be nintendos second biggest game of the year. It's clear that starfox zero will underperform in all categories. That's why it annoys me that people dismiss constructive criticism with "this is the fall of gaming journalism"



Skullwaker said:
Did a mod really change the title of the thread? I guess it was so urgent that another hour or so of waiting before I got online was unbearable.

Regardless, I changed the GR score in the title (since that wasn't done as well, for whatever reason). Everyone feel free to post 3 identical comments in a row if it happens to change again.

I'm not a mod or anything, but did you really need to call people out. Sure some other people were being unreasonable, but there's no need to be sarcastic

 

just my 2 cents to prevent bad feelings   :/



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midrange said:

People can like the game. There's no big deal with that. But look at the other comments of this thread. There are a lot of people bashing reviewers with bogus reasons like "they gave it a mediocre score because it's not open world." The game is heavily flawed (I blame mismanagement by Nintendo) but rather than address the flaws of the game, they unnecessarily defend the game with b.s. reasons or cop outs.

 

This is supposed to be nintendos second biggest game of the year. It's clear that starfox zero will underperform in all categories. That's why it annoys me that people dismiss constructive criticism with "this is the fall of gaming journalism"

This isn't even close to being true. It isn't even the second biggest Wii U game of the year. If we include the 3DS, it's not even close.



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Mar1217 said:
midrange said:

People can like the game. There's no big deal with that. But look at the other comments of this thread. There are a lot of people bashing reviewers with bogus reasons like "they gave it a mediocre score because it's not open world." The game is heavily flawed (I blame mismanagement by Nintendo) but rather than address the flaws of the game, they unnecessarily defend the game with b.s. reasons or cop outs.

 

This is supposed to be nintendos second biggest game of the year. It's clear that starfox zero will underperform in all categories. That's why it annoys me that people dismiss constructive criticism with "this is the fall of gaming journalism"

And it goes the other way around too you know. Our world isn't just Black or White, it's grey.

Yea I know. But the reviews aren't giving the game an unreasonably low score. They've all provides fair claims (graphics, controls, length, so on), but a lot of posts (especially on this thread) just dismiss them with cop outs. "Gaming journalism is dead", "gaming journalism only likes open world," "journalists need to git gud."

 

Some people bash starfox for the craziest reasons, but these reviews all give valid claims. So why are the reviewers getting hated on?



Skullwaker said:
midrange said:

People can like the game. There's no big deal with that. But look at the other comments of this thread. There are a lot of people bashing reviewers with bogus reasons like "they gave it a mediocre score because it's not open world." The game is heavily flawed (I blame mismanagement by Nintendo) but rather than address the flaws of the game, they unnecessarily defend the game with b.s. reasons or cop outs.

 

This is supposed to be nintendos second biggest game of the year. It's clear that starfox zero will underperform in all categories. That's why it annoys me that people dismiss constructive criticism with "this is the fall of gaming journalism"

This isn't even close to being true. It isn't even the second biggest Wii U game of the year. If we include the 3DS, it's not even close.

We all know zelda u is the biggest. If starfox isn't the second biggest wii u title this year, what is? Aside from pokken (debatable) I can't think of a single candidate



midrange said:

We all know zelda u is the biggest. If starfox isn't the second biggest wii u title this year, what is? Aside from pokken (debatable) I can't think of a single candidate

I think Twilight Princess HD, Pokken and Zelda U are all bigger. Making Star Fox the 4th biggest.

Though arguably, Paper Mario could be bigger depending on how they handle it (as of now it's not looking favorable though).



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Skullwaker said:
midrange said:

We all know zelda u is the biggest. If starfox isn't the second biggest wii u title this year, what is? Aside from pokken (debatable) I can't think of a single candidate

I think Twilight Princess HD, Pokken and Zelda U are all bigger. Making Star Fox the 4th biggest.

Though arguably, Paper Mario could be bigger depending on how they handle it (as of now it's not looking favorable though).

Zelda U is definitely bigger no doubt. But I hesitate to call an hd remake, a Mario spin off, and a Pokemon spin off bigger than a mainline starfox game (although it depends on whether people treat it as a remake or not).

Regardless though, starfox is one of the biggest wii u games this year. Everyone expected more and Nintendo has shown before that they are capable of making a great game. Sadly, starfox just has too many flaws to meet most people's expectations and that's on Nintendo