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kowenicki said:
Soundwave said:

 

They're already getting hammered by the regular PS4 and the PS4.5 is going to be more than 3x beyond a XBOne. 

Does MS wait for fall 2017 and launch XBox 2 full stop? 8 TFLOP Polaris + HBM2 RAM + upgradable architecture? 

But all games must be playable on ps4 at some level according to Sony.... so seems you are unlikely to see anything except slightly more polish, unless they want to fuck over 40m people that is.

Judgin from that GPU upgrade it'll probably be like PS4 medium PC settings, PS4K High PC settings.



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Soundwave said:

I think MS like they did with the first XBox is going to bail on this generation cycle. They can't win it.

XBox 2 in fall 2017, full upgrade from XB1, 10 TFLOP processor (14nm) + 16GB HBM2 RAM, 2K-4K resolution support, 4K Blu-Ray, upgradable system, runs full Windows. 

2017 is a bit early but I expect a new Xbox fall 2018, launching the new gen a year earlier than Sony again. Also don't expect a 10TFLOP console next year for 399 or 499, too soon. MS can ride it out with the Xbone until 2018, it still has some life left in it unlike the Wii U.

If Xbox 2 is 2017 it might not have as many meaningful upgrades compared to launching later. Multiplats will still be made around the 5-6GB ram limits of Gen 8 and looking at Microsofts output in the first 2 years of the Xbone's life, I don't expect the exclusives that do push the hardware make the graphical differences.

If MS is pushing themselves in that situation, then PS4K will be fine, both consoles would be seen as an extension of the current gen even if MS meant to start a new one. It's in MS's best interest to stay close to Sony and not start disrupting the market, they're in a very weak position to change anything. Sony wouldn't be pushed to release the PS5.

PS5 would come in 2019 or 2020, launching with true next gen hardware, +10TFLOP, 10nm, 32GB HBM3 RAM, native 4K

With full 3rd party support. Hype going through the roof.

Xbox 2 would be like what the Dreamcast was to PS2 hardware wise. The DC launched 18 months ahead of the PS2.

Dreamcast had 16MB ram, PS2 had 32MB



ArchangelMadzz said:
kowenicki said:

But all games must be playable on ps4 at some level according to Sony.... so seems you are unlikely to see anything except slightly more polish, unless they want to fuck over 40m people that is.

Judgin from that GPU upgrade it'll probably be like PS4 medium PC settings, PS4K High PC settings.

PS4 is already mostly High settings, PS4K with 4.1TFLOP is Ultra settings. The AMD R9 380X which is 3.9TFLOP can run the Witcher 3 at Ultra settings with 54fps.



kowenicki said:
aLkaLiNE said:

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Did you know that they thought this gen had the potential to sell over 1 billion consoles? Did you know that they spent over 100 million in R&D for the controller alone? Did you know that they thought they would break even on MineCraft the same year they purchased the rights and studio (sold for 2.5 billion btw)

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I ignored two earlier comments in this thread which were frankly quite ignorant and shallow in thought with opinions taken from headlines elsewhere it seemed and bizarre to say the least

This one I cant ignore as it is even more ignorant of reality and just plain wrong.

First of all "they" didnt say they could sell 1 billion consoles.  One guy said it in an interview, it wasnt a corporate mesage and it wasnt an official statement.  But anyway,  he wasnt referring to Microsoft, he was referring to the tradtional console industry as a whole and beyond.  If you arent able to grasp what he meant, and journalists couldnt either, then that isnt his fault.  He is just a bigger thinker than you.

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If you're going to take someone to task for being '...ignorant of reality and just plain wrong.' you should, I think, at least read what the man wrote and not what you assumed he wrote.

He very clearly stated that '...they thought this gen had the potential to sell over 1 billion consoles'.  You then accused him of writing 'they' said 'they' could sell 1 billion consoles.  What he actually wrote was something you confirmed as being accurate in your next two sentences i.e. that the traditional console industry had the potential to sell 1 billion.



Soonerman said:
Microsoft is actually waiting to see how PS4 VR is going to fail and consume a good chunk of their money. Plus, there's already negative press about the upgrade in PS4 since Sony is trying to do the phone business of doing minimal ugrades to keep the price up. We'll see how that works

Please explain the bolded. How will the PSVR consume a good chunk of their money? R&D costs are already incurred, the hardware itself is being sold at a slight profit. Even if the project doesn't make back the money spent on R&D, it wtill won't consume a good chunk of their money because the costs have already been incurred, and Sony's Playstation division still made a hefty profit in the period it was incurred.



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Angelv577 said:
Kerotan said:

Exactly.  So the ps4 owner who's already happy like me can continue about their merry way.  For those who care about a few improvements feel free to shell out another $400. Personally I'll spend that money buying a shit load of games for my current ps4.

 

Then there's the possibility of buying PSVR so no chance I'll be getting an upgrade.  

 

The only good thing I can see is for those who haven't got a ps4 yet.  Sure why not,  give them a premium option. 

Or give your old ps4 in trade in, similar to when the ps3 and xb360 slim launched.  A lot of people wanted trade in their old hardware for the slims.

How cheap would upgrading be then?  If it's not much that's actually a possibility. 



Turkish said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

Judgin from that GPU upgrade it'll probably be like PS4 medium PC settings, PS4K High PC settings.

PS4 is already mostly High settings, PS4K with 4.1TFLOP is Ultra settings. The AMD R9 380X which is 3.9TFLOP can run the Witcher 3 at Ultra settings with 54fps.

I wasn't aware it was 4.1 TFLOP, well damn that CAN do 4k 30fps Medium settings. 

My wallet hurts because that'll probably be expensive, at least I can sell my current PS4 to take the cost off a little.



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They can't just give up and hope for a better run next gen. Consumers always remember how a console did last gen. And nobody is going to buy the next Xbox, knowing they dropped support on their last console if they decided to just pull out this gen.



Azzanation said:

They don't need to do anything, As long as MS are making money and making good games, they will ride the flow. Its not always about selling the most consoles, its about making money. The XB1 will only get cheaper to make from this point. If the PS4K doesn't sell then Sony will most likely lose money on it, same will happen with PS-VR and we know Sony isn't exactly the richest company out there.

MS doesn't care about the PS4K, that's Sony's investment to worry about. They are clearly happy with the specs of the X1 plus they already have access to the biggest gaming community out there with Windows.

Sony are the ones taking the risk here not MS.

This guy gets it.

It's not about console sales. It's about profit.



TFlops are theoretical numbers.

The CU improvement on the pS4K takes it from a 7850 to a 7970-like level of performance. It will be based on the R9 480 with the newer cores, but it will also be running below clock speed of the desktop variant and its still being pushed by slow Jag cores that are not quite i7's to compare them to the type of performance ceiling the desktop parts allow for.



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