Threads like these are why I chose to join this site over others.  I enjoy political conversation, and I find it nice that there are plenty of discussions to join while I am reading the latest video game news.

Well. I guess we should just convert this site into a political website and post the latest polling numbers on the front page. DO YOU REALIZE THE AMOUNT OF PLACES YOU FAN GO TALK ABOUT POLITICS?! It's basically unlimited. This is a site for video games. Politic sites are sites for discussing politics. Go there if you want to talk about that. The discussion will be much better there too.

I'm reading it. I'm not participating in the debate, but I'm reading it because I'm interested in what these people have to say on the subject. I only cherry pick the political threads to read. I'd tire of it if there was too much. Like too many NX threads. Anyway, just thought I'd say that, and I'll shut up now.

I'd love to see you two debating and defending homosexuals & apostates in Islamic countries. Switching from Islam to something else is illegal, being gay is illegal in most Muslim countires. It's not just socially unaccepted.

An Egyptian presidential candidate had to change his views on apostasy to get the support from the major Islamic parties in 2012. He had to state, on national TV, that apostates should be sentenced to death. Is that a "moderate" sentence in your opinion?

I keep hearing about these so called moderate Muslims but I so seldom see them stand up for the injustice brought by their religion in Islamic countries. Shouldn't you, as Muslims, be concerned about the wildy popular version of Islam that you think is immoderate? I can keep criticizing all day but it will never be nearly as effective if it doesn't come from your own tribe.

Sorry, but I'm too Liberal to waive my Universal Human Right of free speech.  I'm not going anywhere.

It's taking away from the website. If you don't believe that, then I don't know how to help you.

LOL. I never told you to go anywhere. But just because there is such a thing as free speech doesn't mean a website cannot force discussion to be on topic. Try and argue free speech while calling someone retarded on this site. You'll get banned, just like on most sites. Go onto the Rocket League subreddit and only make posts about League of Legends. You'll get banned. The point being, arguing free speech is pretty dumb. If anyone could post anything on any website, no website would be what it set out to be and the whole thing would be a mess. Subreddits exist to talk about very particular topics. Political websites exist to talk about politics. IGN exists to talk about gaming and similar forms of entertainment. This website should set out to do the same.

I'm not Muslim. I was raised in a Protestant household; my father is a minister.

I did, however, spend 6 years studying medieval Islam, the Ottoman Imperial period, and the modern middle east. And I worked in Iraq and Jordan. And I can say with confidence that most Muslims (and most Arabs, and most people, for that matter) are law-abiding citizens who are just trying to make a living and provide for themselves and their families. 

If you want to take literal sections of religious books and assume all adherents of a given faith accept those at face value, then, guess what, Christians, Muslims, and Jews are all capable of wicked and sinful acts. But the reality is not many people accept the literal word of the Torah, the Bible, and the Quran. They apply its central teachings to their everyday life, but they don't offen enslave or stone one another. 

Now, some cruel or ignorant people do commit horrible acts in the name of religion and god. We've seen ISIS rape, torture, and kill. But that, as Mo artfully said, is a perversion of Islam - at least according to hundreds of years of Islamic jurisprudence and the attitudes of the majority of modern Muslims.

And you are taking away from whatever real discussion that's taking place right now.

This site has always had these sorts of discussions on its front page, I don't remember a time when it was different.

So please, just leave this thread and go post on the ones you like, I don't want to stop coming back to this thread just because most of the posts, right now, involve you beating a dead horse. VGC will always be that way. 

Well I'm going to argue free speech just like the guy above me did. I'm allowed to be here just like you are. You guys are killing the purpose of this website. Why? Do you want this place to disappear? Why do you not want this place to reach its potential?