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Pemalite said:
JEMC said:

To be fair, not bringing their own games to Steam and sell them through their own store is perfectly valid. That's what EA or Blizzard do and no one attacks them for that.

I don't buy EA games on PC for that exact reason though. :P
Origin is a piece of crap that deserves to be burned in the fires of hell.
Ubisoft's uDontPlay is an even larger piece of garbage.


Blizzard I am fine with as it's pretty much status-quo for me for the last 20 years.. Haha And at-least their crap actually works as intended... And Blizzard has a track record of supporting their software for over a decade.

Hell, you can still log onto battle net with Diablo 1, WC2 BNE, etc...  There isn't anyone playing those games on there anymore.  I logged onto bnet with Diablo 1 recently (was getting a stupid port error saying to open up 6112 (which I did open up 6112-6119 ports Blizzard suggests but still didn't matter) but after a couple attempts I was able to connect without the error message, created a game and played a little by myself.  They did get rid of user made channels though for the old games which kind of sucks but understandable since very few people play the old games.  I believe Diablo 2 has a few active users still though.



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trasharmdsister12 said:

I disagree with this notion, particularly when it comes to MS. That might seem like a bias against MS, but it totally isn't. I'm a UWP developer. I've developed things for Xbox 360, Windows Phones, Windows 8 Tablet, and Xbox One. Up until a couple of months ago I was a Windows Phone user, and I still happily use my Windows 10 desktop and tablet, Xbox 360, and Xbox One. Due to this, I'm very in the loop on MS's commitments and promises and how often they back-pedal and break said promises. What I'm about to say doesn't come from a place of hate; it comes from the perspective of wanting Microsoft to succeed and not pissing away the millions of hours of effort they put into their offerings through a poor handling of messaging.

In regards to PC gaming MS doesn't have that liberty of trust to do the right thing due to their history and their first impression with this attempt only makes things worse. Due to their history with PC gaming, they needed to build their credibility by doing the consumers right from the get go. They could've done this one of two ways:

1. Have things much of the way the community wants it day 1. This can be seen as an unrealistic expectation, but even getting major parts right would've gone a long way to people accepting Microsoft's claims to be working on the rest that they didn't get right.

2. They really needed to get their messaging right BEFORE backlash. They should not have left these limitations up to the discovery of consumers. Instead they went ahead and released poor product to a marketplace just looking to throw things back in MS's face. MS's only choice then was to be reactionary. If before releasing anything they has said "Okay guys. We're bringing Xbox content over to PC but it's going to be shoddy at first because the Windows Store wasn't exactly built to cater to conventional gaming... But here's a roadmap/time-line of features we're aiming to get out to you by the end of the year." people would have been like "Cool. That sort of sucks but at least we know you're working on it. Thanks for letting us know when we should look again." People would've been upset, but more understanding.

The problem is that they did NEITHER of those things. So the consumer base's immediate reaction was "WTF?! GFWL 2.0!!!" and now MS has a bigger up-hill battle than ever. 

Me personally? I've already said I'm going to play the wait and see game. I look at the industry with a calm head and know that if MS doesn't do what we want, we'll just drop them and they'll either be forced to change it to something we do like or drop their effort altogether. At most, I'm invested in seeing MS do well because I do like some of their products and believe they take a lot of unnecessary flak in the industry. Plus genuine competition is good for us, consumers. But in this case, MS have only themselves to blame.

This sums up much of why the backlash is justified.  Responding to obvious problems after the fact does not inspire confidence.  It gives the impression that they're only going to give as much as they must in order to break into the market.

On a personal level, I'm fully aware that I'm biased against Microsoft in the PC gaming space--but that's not without reason.  Dealing with GFWL was, in complete honestly, the worst experience I've ever had in gaming.  Fallout 3 is one of my favorite games of all time but the frustration of getting GFWL to work just so I could play a game almost ruined it.  It was pure garbage that was forced on the consumer and they deserve every hard feeling they've gotten in return.  Microsoft earned that lack of faith.  I remember buying BioShock awhile afterward without realizing it was GFWL, as well--it still sits on my shelf, secure in the original shrink wrap.  Now that I think about it, Microsoft got me again with that ridiculous "points" systems, where I had to over-buy points just to get the much cheaper Fallout 3 DLC.  I let them keep that money rather than play anything else on that platform.

Deep breath, calm thoughts.

So, yeah, I don't trust Microsoft to do what's best for the consumer.  They have to do what's best for the consumer first, though even then I'll still be suspicious.  Fool me once ...



In this case I would also just say if there is nothing MS can/ or want to do to improve and fix what you guys don't like then just leave UWP and Windows all together. It's not like there is no other choices.

In my case, I will get what I feel is ok and leave what I think isn't then voice my concerns to who can do things.



Jazz2K said:
In this case I would also just say if there is nothing MS can/ or want to do to improve and fix what you guys don't like then just leave UWP and Windows all together. It's not like there is no other choices.

In my case, I will get what I feel is ok and leave what I think isn't then voice my concerns to who can do things.

The idea that people shouldn't complain about practicies they don't like is abhorrent to me.  That's the only way things improve and most businesses want people to tell them what they don't like as opposed to simply going away.  I cannot understand the mentality that people should not speak up.

As for Windows, I'd drop it tomorrow if gaming on Linux was at the same level.  Unfortunately, it's not.

With UWP, though, don't worry, I'm not buying anything on that platform as it stands now.  



pokoko said:
Jazz2K said:
In this case I would also just say if there is nothing MS can/ or want to do to improve and fix what you guys don't like then just leave UWP and Windows all together. It's not like there is no other choices.

In my case, I will get what I feel is ok and leave what I think isn't then voice my concerns to who can do things.

The idea that people shouldn't complain about practicies they don't like is abhorrent to me.  That's the only way things improve and most businesses want people to tell them what they don't like as opposed to simply going away.  I cannot understand the mentality that people should not speak up.

As for Windows, I'd drop it tomorrow if gaming on Linux was at the same level.  Unfortunately, it's not.

With UWP, though, don't worry, I'm not buying anything on that platform as it stands now.  

its like people arent reading anything being posted.



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Jazz2K said:
In this case I would also just say if there is nothing MS can/ or want to do to improve and fix what you guys don't like then just leave UWP and Windows all together. It's not like there is no other choices.

In my case, I will get what I feel is ok and leave what I think isn't then voice my concerns to who can do things.

I've been reading all the replies towards both you and others and I have to say that the others, especially trasharmdsister12 have all made perfectly valid, level-headed examples and arguments, all you seem to be saying so far is "MS will do right just wait, if you don't like it just leave". You're basically defending MS regardless and implying that those who don't like what MS is doing are childish or acting like MS is some super evil villain and that's not even remotely how we're thinking or talking, it's almost like you love MS to the bitter end and would rather spite everyone else who has a different opinion, that isn't really healthy at all for a mindset and I think you should abandon it sooner rather than later.



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TH-Work said:
People who have a problem that Microsoft releases their games on their own Store and not on Steam or anything else should just shut up! It's absolutely understandable that Microsoft releases their games on their own Store on PC. It's not like Sony releases their games on Nintendo, or Nintendo on Microsoft, or Microsoft on Sony consoles!

In my opinion, everyone who don't like the Windows Store and who are not happy with Microsoft releasing their games on it's own Microsoft Store should just deinstall Windows OS on their PC right now and install Linux and should then be happy with their Linux and then shut up!

No. I won't shut up.
1) It's called constructive criticism towards Microsoft.
2) It's what I wan't as a consumer.
3) We aren't talking about Sony or Nintendo.
4) Microsoft has reinvigorated promises to support the PC, those efforts have been laughable. - They tried to fix what wasn't broken and ruined everything.

trasharmdsister12 said:

2. No mods - Mods are a HUGE part of PC gaming culture. It isn't constructive for MS to attempt to make a foray into PC gaming without, what is arguably, the most important feature for PC. It is of paramount importance in the open platform the PC provides over other gaming platforms.

And because Microsoft has not allowed the browsing of game folders so we can edit .ini and config files... Common fixes for things like Eyefinity/Surround vision are no longer possible in some titles.



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Ok I'll say it again...

I never said no one should voice their concerns... ok?

In fact I even encourage people to voice themselves more than necessary if needed. But there doign so politely to those who will change things is more productive than just hate around.

Now!

What I don't get is the blind hate and or the default negative comments like MS will not change anything, or they have no motivation to do so etc.

People hate the fact that MS exclusives are sold on their store... well I find this normal it's their franchises FGS.



JEMC said:
AsGryffynn said:

This. Hating on Microsoft just seems like the cool thing to do nowadays... 

No one would be hating if they had done things right.

Well, they are fixing them, so I will give them another shot. They literally let me down ONCE, rather than 6 times... 



Jazz2K said:

Ok I'll say it again...

I never said no one should voice their concerns... ok?

In fact I even encourage people to voice themselves more than necessary if needed. But there doign so politely to those who will change things is more productive than just hate around.

Now!

What I don't get is the blind hate and or the default negative comments like MS will not change anything, or they have no motivation to do so etc.

People hate the fact that MS exclusives are sold on their store... well I find this normal it's their franchises FGS.

You liken the posts in here to blind hate then? There are some terrific points being made and you have yet to counter a single one and simply tell them to not use Windows or the Windows store, which is a ridiculous position for someone who claims to be all for fair criticism. This is well within fair criticism, especially towards the world's biggest software company with around four decades of experience (and more or less monopoly) with the platform, digital distribution is well over a decade old now and there are alternatives that work great, with much smaller and less resourceful companies at the head of them (GOG Galaxy, for instance), so there is no excuse for MS in this case.

For many, it's not about whether or not MS will eventually fix certain issues; it's about why on earth does a company of that size and with such huge influence and power provide such a faulty service to begin with in this day and age?

Again, I hope you're not juxtaposing some of these posts with blind hate, they are due criticism of a system that everyone had much higher expectations of. Speaking of logic; if this "hatred" bothers you so much and people's arguments aren't working the way you want them to, why don't you stop using vgchartz, it's not like there aren't alternatives, like IGN. I mean, that's how these things work, right? Or stop using the internet, there are alternatives, like newspapers, magazines, books and actual, physical interaction.