Wow... That's a terribly jadded and misguided way of thinking... and no you absolutely haven't given more than enough, you haven't given anything compared to what those minorities have suffered through and are still strongly feeling the backlash of today... I can't believe you would even think that life has some sort of price that can be bought off with your white guilt... Only when social and institutional changes are made is when the death and persecution of millions of people will be rectified and maybe not even then. Life is precious to unjustly take that away is hardly forgivable.

If we adopted this system of repaying every death or mistreatment then it would all be canceled out in some way or someone would eye for an eye. Many different peoples have been through their own kind of hells at the hands of others and through their own making. I'm all for actual equality and getting to the point that harmful discrimination is minimized at least in the civilized parts of the world but i disagree with the idea that one race owes another something. It's stupid. Frankly, I don't give a rat's ass what one of the races I'm mixed did to a different. I care about what's happening today and how it will affect future generations. It's best to get past all that as a country or as a people and stop thinking of everything as different groups.  Pandering to blacks and giving them a free pass on being racist to every race but their own is not how to bring about equality. 

Of course I don't honestly believe one race owes another race something. I was just describing it in the same flippant way barney had because he made it seem that there was some sort of repayment to be had in the first place and that it was already "paid for" and if he was going with this misguided thinking then he would be wrong and it wouldn't have been paid for already.

Anyways, my main point is that we need to have some serious social and institutional changes so that each and every one of us and the generations to come can benefit and live a better life and not be limited by our race. And I think that the only way to truly get past what had happened is to face these harsh realities of racial discrimination and how whites have been historically favored over other races (and still are). Like I said in my first post, no one has to feel guilty about anything but we all have to accept and give recognition and thought to what had happened and what is continually happening today.

Nah, I doubt it's very different. In fact, I doubt it's much different being white or black. Difference between rich and poor - now, that'll be a shock.

Great. Doesn't give us any relevant information without knowing the ethnicity of STEM and non-STEM graduates though.

I like how you stumble from point to point without ever stopping to address the counterpoints.  To wit: 

—Do you agree or disagree that Shockwave probably intended to mean that the average white person, if living as the average black person for three months, might be shocked at being treated worse (instead of merely differently) if having to interact with police, buying property, etc.? 

—If you agree that that is what he meant, I reckon you would disagree with Shockwave's claim.  Right?  In that case, how do you explain reports of, for example, minorities in a large city being disproportionately pulled over and having their car searched even though the searches were less likely to pay off than when whites' cars were searched?  (Note1:  I forget what city exactly but it might have been St. Louis.  If you can treat it as a thought exercise then you won't need a source; if you need to get into the nitty gritty of the city's situation then I can find a source for my story.  Note2:  I think the payoff disparity is probably because whites' cars were searched in that city only when cops had a stronger reason to suspect it would pay off.) 

—What did you actually mean by "It's not a contest that requires knuckleheads to compete." in the context of talking about systemic discrimination?  I literally did not, and do not, understand what idea this sentence is supposed to convey to me. 

Using Europe as an example is bad. I hate when white people act oblivious to the reality of white privilege both in the U.S specifically and accross the rest of the world. Have whites been victims?

Yes! By other whites who are more powerful or rich. No white person has been discriminated against for being white (skin). Jews xould pass as German or any other white person as there was no way to distinguish them outside of language or name.

Here are some facts. Other races have been victimized by whites. From Africans, to Asians, to Indians, to Native Americans and Australians.

Both the indigenous population of the Americas and Australia were basically exterminated by Caucasians so don't be surprised that none whites don't sympathize with the so called white struggle.

Even poor whites face better treatment than that of a rich none white person. Poor whites in the U.S. don't get abused by cops like minorities. There is no stereotype to describe whites like other races.

You have a team named Redskins but whiteskins would never be tolerated. The list just goes on and on. So the next time you even think of asking such an obvious question think about the facts I mentioned.

By the way. I am bi-racial and can pass for white but I don't ever mention my white heritage and don't care to know anything about it because slavery is the only reason I am here and why I have white ancestry.

Wh en you are refused a house because of your skin color then you can complain, if you were never allowed to vote, drink from a water fountain or refused service because of your white skin then complain.

If you are hung, beat or raised like livestock on a plantation because your white skin is hated, then and only then can you claim discrimination or victimization.

Your lack of reality and understanding is why people feel the way they do towards white people so remember that.

Whites can and are discriminated against in todays society. If a company is trying to achieve a "equality" quota for minorities, then they are putting those minorities above whites, even if the whites are more qualified for the job. Racism also does exist against whites by select groups of people wanting whites out of leadership positions, not because of them doing bad things, but because of their skin color. Racial discrimination and racism are the same thing. No matter how much people try to change the definition of words, like racism (adding systems of oppressions to justify them being racist) and sexism, will not benefit society. The problem with today's society is that schools are purposely indoctrinating kids to believe that they are victims of oppression and won't achieve greatness. These teachers are racist because they believe that because of your skin color you will not be better than whites. This is oppression by our education. This is systematic oppression. Outside of education people don't care about your skin color, unless they are trying to fill a quota, then they are racist. People love to spin definitions to justify their racial hatred toward certain groups of people, especially radical groups like BLM. BLM is no different than the KKK, ideologically. BLM just behave as a victim and harass to get what they want, while the KKK did acts of violence or harassment.

I am not a big fan of social justice. It is the cancer of society currently, born out of political correctness and hate mob mentality. It should not be taught in lower education, K-12 because it is in essence an ideology based around hatred.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1914&dat=20000802&id=nPVGAAAAIBAJ&sjid=0fMMAAAAIBAJ&pg=2394,264655&hl=en

Goverment strips land from whites back in 2000 in Zimbabwe, which is 9% white and 79% African black.  Please explain to me how whites can't be victims of racism.

That first bit I won't take seriously because you know damn well that I understood what he meant and that I disagree with what he said.

Statistically speaking, certain races are commiting more crimes of certain types than other groups in major cities hence why they're being targeted by law enforcement over others. If they were just being targeted without being charged or convicted then it would be plainly a case of being wrongfully discriminated against. Of course, someone's race doesn't make them a criminal but certain types of crimes are commited by certain groups more than others. That's a fact but that information is used to help catch the persons responsible for the crime or at least help narrow down where to look or who pay more attention to. For example, the majority of serial killers are white males between certain ages. It would make sense for police and investigators to focus their efforts around that group over others.  Frankly, I don't believe that all discrimination is bad, some discrimination is needed for certain things.  

It's not a contest to see what group gets wrongfully discriminated against the most. There's no point in diving into that. We're better off dealing with wrongful discrimination in general and not just on one group's bit of wrongful discrimination.