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reggin_bolas said:
TruckOSaurus said:

So denying service to gay people for religious reason is noble and virtuous but denying porn for ideological reason is "beyond outrageous"?

I am making it about broader issues. The pornography example is just one countermeasure. Many other states are enforcing non-mandatory travel bans for their staff. Highly dubious tactic to undermine a democratic institution. Reminiscent of the pre-civil war era discord. 

 

 

Making Civil War comparisons doesn't really help your point. Because in this little anology North Carolina would be...well...North Carolina. 

In fact, you'd think NC would have learned by now how to spot when they're on the wrong side of history...



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Normchacho said:
reggin_bolas said:

According Gallop. the American public estimates that over 20% of the US population is gay or lesbian. According to Gallop, it's estimated that only 3.8% actually identify as gay or lesbian. If we extrapolate to the world population, this figure is likely to remain as low or maybe even lower. So why on earth are we giving so much attention and why are we investing so many societal resources for such a small minority group? I mean, there are toilets now in Sweden that are specifically designed and built for transpeople, yet there aren't many people who are actually trans. 

And even Gallop agrees with my thesis:  "The overestimation may also reflect prominent media portrayals of gay characters on television and in movies, even as far back as 2002, and perhaps the high visibility of activists who have pushed gay causes, particularly legalizing same-sex marriage."

Is there an agenda to make gay and lesbian perceived as "cool" and normalized when it's statistically not? Is it ethical?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx



So...we should ignore injustice if it only harms a small percentage of the population?

What injustice are you talking about? Sodomy laws are extinct. It's not criminal to be gay in the US. 



This is to keep men from dressing up as women useing the womens rest rooms ?

How many non trans men would actually do that? How would you enforce it?

I feel like this law doesnt protect anyone, and it steps on the toes of the trans communite for no real reason at all.



JRPGfan said:
This is to keep men from dressing up as women useing the womens rest rooms ?

How many non trans men would actually do that? How would you enforce it?

I feel like this law doesnt protect anyone, and it steps on the toes of the trans communite for no real reason at all.

Yup and it totally ridiculous. Under that law this man (who was born a woman) has to use the women's bathroom:



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reggin_bolas said:
Normchacho said:

So...we should ignore injustice if it only harms a small percentage of the population?

What injustice are you talking about? Sodomy laws are extinct. It's not criminal to be gay in the US. 

That's your bar for injustice? Jesus.

In all seriousness though, the law is discriminatory. It really doesn't take any real ties to the LGBT community to see it either.



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Ka-pi96 said:
The_Yoda said:

Didn't Southpark already do an episode on this a year or two ago?

I don't know about South Park, but I remember the anime baka to test did it, the guy in that wasn't even trans either

Neither was Cartman who made it his own private sanctuary.



TruckOSaurus said:
JRPGfan said:
This is to keep men from dressing up as women useing the womens rest rooms ?

How many non trans men would actually do that? How would you enforce it?

I feel like this law doesnt protect anyone, and it steps on the toes of the trans communite for no real reason at all.

Yup and it totally ridiculous. Under that law this man (who was born a woman) has to use the women's bathroom:

That sums up perfectly the impracticality and overreach of this law. 

Let's be honest: this law is meant to fire up the base, to appeal to those who are scared of or feel icky about LGBT. It's not designed to fix a problem. Because there is no problem.

I guess LGBT is the new boogeyman. It's a shame.

If it means anything, I stand with my fellow global citizens, whatever their sexual orientation or gender. 



Normchacho said:
reggin_bolas said:

What injustice are you talking about? Sodomy laws are extinct. It's not criminal to be gay in the US. 

That's your bar for injustice? Jesus.

In all seriousness though, the law is discriminatory. It really doesn't take any real ties to the LGBT community to see it either.

You can't completely advance gay rights while simultaneously preserving the inveterate practices and beliefs of various Christian groups. They have an inverse-relationship. Considering that less than 4 percent of the entire US population is affected by this law, I'd say it's fair and reasonable to side with religious freedom. There are more Christian practioneers in the the US than there are gays and lesbians. The greater good determines the winner here. 

How is it discrimminatory? Now government officials are finally allowed to object to an act they consider incongruent with their long-held beliefs and values. It's a major victory for religious freedom, something on which the US was principally founded. This law does not prohibit gays from marrying. It's just they can't force people to violate their spiritual beliefs anymore. 



Shouldn't good christians actually be happy about blocked porn sites? I'm pretty sure most Christian communities aren't exactly pro porn. More like watching porn is pretty bad. Not as bad as being gay is in some Christian beliefs but still like 20 Ave Maria bad.



reggin_bolas said:

According Gallop. the American public estimates that over 20% of the US population is gay or lesbian. According to Gallop, it's estimated that only 3.8% actually identify as gay or lesbian. If we extrapolate to the world population, this figure is likely to remain as low or maybe even lower. So why on earth are we giving so much attention and why are we investing so many societal resources for such a small minority group? I mean, there are toilets now in Sweden that are specifically designed and built for transpeople, yet there aren't many people who are actually trans. 

And even Gallop agrees with my thesis:  "The overestimation may also reflect prominent media portrayals of gay characters on television and in movies, even as far back as 2002, and perhaps the high visibility of activists who have pushed gay causes, particularly legalizing same-sex marriage."

Is there an agenda to make gay and lesbian perceived as "cool" and normalized when it's statistically not? Is it ethical?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/183383/americans-greatly-overestimate-percent-gay-lesbian.aspx



You do realize that being gay or lesbian has absolutely nothing to do with being transgender right?

There are gay and lesbian transgender people of course, the only numbers I could find on it suggest that about 21% of them identify as gay. Incidentally that is the exact same number that identifies as heterosexual.

My point is that the numbers above actually only includes about a fith of transgender (the 21% that identify as homosexual) people and don't accord for the rest of them.

Hence, I'm not quite sure what the point of your post was with regards to this topic, other than to imply that we should deny people human rights and equality based on their minority status.